Biblical inconsistency?

OSV.com ^ | 07-25-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[Elsie]

They went low; but no ones knows just exactly HOW low...

[Elsie]

No surprise that you view the true word in the original language to be shooting up the place. .

No surprise that you have FAILED to show 'the true word in the original language' any where on FR.

[Elsie]

Who cares when Yehova has seen fit to show us his true servants’ original comments in the language they and their messiach spoke?

When are YOU going to see fit to show us his true servants’ original comments?

[Elsie]

When I do you just demand the links anyway.

Oh?

What reply numbers are you referring to?

Show me DEMAND!!

[Elsie]

Please show us any other passage that indicates that the apostles considered anything but Tanakh to be scripture.

You have got some nerve!

FAiling to show ANY proof here; and yet ASKING another question.

[Elsie]

The letters we read were other people’s mail!

Nope; They WANTED them to be read by ALL believers.

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[Elsie]

I post the links, he asks for cut and paste. lf I post cut and paste he asks for the link instead, then you join in with nonsense like this?

I am merely asking you to quit wasting our time; if you TRULY want to shed light instead of heat.

[Elsie]

Your analysis here is correct; of course.

How DOES one find the ONLY ‘true’ religion?

Can they ALL be ‘right’?

[Mark17]

I know Jack went under the Limbo stick. I just want to know where all the people, who were in Limbo went, after it was decided that the place did not exist anymore? Did Limbo EVER exist, or was it simply a product of someone’s imagination? 😁

[Religion Moderator]

You have posted enough, in fact far too much, on this thread.

Leave it.

[editor-surveyor]

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Shem Tov’s Hebrew original Matthew has been published, as has George Howard’s for decades.

Tear the tape off of your eyes.

Mark, Luke and John are in the works and will be out soon.

If you read Hebrew, you can read them now in the Vatican site, or the Hebrew University site.

[boatbums]

We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (I Corinthians 2:12-14)

Finally, brothers, we ask and encourage you in the Lord Jesus to live in a way that is pleasing to God, as you have received from us. This is how you already live, so you should do so all the more. For you know the instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. (I Thess. 4:1,2)

To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter. (II Thess. 2:14,15)

If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. (II Thess. 3:14)

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. (II Thess. 3:6)

If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. (I Cor. 14:37)

I command you in the name of the Lord to read this letter to all the brothers and sisters. (I Thess. 5:27)

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. (Rev. 1:3)

"Behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book." (Rev. 22:7)

After this letter has been read among you, make sure that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea. (Col. 4:16)

[Concentrate]

To be really honest, which has never served me well, I give you this evidence that the Bible has at least a lot of truth.

It’s a very long video, but I want to post it before it disappears.

I recommend watching it repeatedly. It’s actually hard to take.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5HvEGEnVE

[Concentrate]

What to make of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_MV_DOOwBI

[imardmd1]

You have perceived exactly what I desire to be accepted!

But:

But it makes a kind of sense and I think it can be supported by Scripture that there is God’s temporal kingdom and God’s eternal kingdom, and we live in both.

Be careful with this. Only God the Trinity, Jis holy angels, OT) saints, and truly regenerate are constituents of the KOTG. The earthly KOH currently and in the Millenium incorporate both.

Ungospellized humans and Christ-rejectors are in neither, in the model I entertain in my statements. The as-yet-unaccountable, including preborn victims are a special cas, I believe, completely enfolded in The God's Magnificent Grace.

But thank you for your keen observation.

[imardmd1]

That’s why Jesus rose from the dead. All the sin of all the world was laid upon him and paid for through him and atoned for in Jesus’ death.

Indirectly. You must not miss the key step in the progress of atonement. It was not until our Eternal High Priest entered once (ephapax) into the True Holiest of All in Heaven, and sprinkled HisInnocent, Incorruptible Blood on the True hilasterion (Mercy Seat in Heaven, of which the one in the earthly Tabernacle was only a simulacrum, bloodied many times with the blood of bullocks and kid goats, not lambs!) presaging the first, only, and final dousing of the Heavenly Receptacle.

It was not until The Mighty God's righteous demands were propitiated (hilaskomai in Heb. 2:17)--reconciliation is not quite the proper term katallagoh--necessarily according to pattern a thousand times repeated on earth (as comprehended by the transaction being processed), His furious rage slaked, the payment of Jesus' blood fo the sin-debt offered, the Judge of All being satisfied with that payment, and His response mollified.

Jesus having completed (teleoh) His part, The God completed the transaction and marked it "Paid," thence permitting the Son to be re-enrobed with His Glory, His Eternal Prerogatives reassumed, and as the Prince of Peace and King of Kings reseated on the Throne of Omnipotency, until His enemies be prostrate at His Holy Pierced Feet.

It was at this point that The Father forthwith unilaterally offered the transaction in which He assumes all of the trusting individual soul's sins--excepting none--in exchange for the imputation of The Son's Righteousness to this The Owner's new bondslave, removing him/her entirely from the accusations of the former owner the Devil, and judicially pronouncing the final permanent decision, "Not Guilty!" as pertaining to the citizenship status of this new servant, soldier, and defender of The Faith.

That is what had to take place to conclude the process of redemption, thus resulting in The Father offering reconciliation and adoption of His newly-Spirit-birthed children into His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace.

When Jesus shouted out "Tetelestai!" it was to signify that the work of fulfilling, terminating, and abolishing the Mosaic/Davidic Covenant was done, never to be revisited, thus making way for the initiation of the New Testament in His Blood. But His work of instituting the New Covenant was only begun, launched by obtaining as intercessor reconciliation, which was not yet (if ever) completed. It began as described above.

Remembering you in my petitions for your effectiveness in contending for The Faith once (hapax) delivered to the saints (for their salvation, congregation, regulation, and maturation).

With respect.

[Elsie]

Thanks for still not posting anything.

[Elsie]

Shem Tov’s Hebrew original Matthew has been published, as has George Howard’s for decades.

ORIGINAL???

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Shem Tov's Matthew, 1385[edit]

Shem Tov first page

The Shem Tov Matthew (or Shem Tob's Matthew) consists of a complete text of Gospel of Matthew in the Hebrew language found interspersed among anti-Catholic commentary in the 12th volume of a polemical treatise The Touchstone (c.1380-85) by Shem Tov ben Isaac ben Shaprut (Ibn Shaprut), a Jewish physician living in Aragon, after whom the version is named. Shem Tov debated Cardinal Pedro de Luna (later Antipope Benedict XIII) on original sin and redemption in Pamplona, December 26, 1375, in the presence of bishops and learned theologians. Nine manuscripts of The Touchstone survive, though if an independent version of the text of Matthew used by Ibn Shaprut ever existed then it is lost.