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To: ebb tide; metmom

Probably something to do with some Caths getting sick of being asked questions involving simple logic that they can’t answer without looking like obvious hypocrites.

Because Leo X used the services of John Tetzel, who preached that buying an indulgence could forgive the sin of raping the virgin Mary. (Tetzel said it, not me.)

Because Leo X had whorehouses just for priests in the Vatican.

Because Leo X left the Vatican bankrupt.

But Luther opposed Leo X and all these wicked things.

And some Catholics just can’t admit that Luther was right about anything because it would shatter their vain self image.

So they can’t answer that, because they are either de facto supporting Vatican whores and being allowed to buy your way out of raping Mary...

... or supporting Luther, who is apparently much worse in their eyes. But they dare not admit it.

At least that’s my best guess.


387 posted on 07/10/2018 3:16:06 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin; metmom
At least that’s my best guess.

You did a whole lot of talking; but you guessed wrong.

Feel free to tell metmom why I don't answer your question.

388 posted on 07/10/2018 3:38:20 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Luircin
History presents few characters that have suffered more senseless misrepresentation, even bald caricature, than Tetzel. "Even while he lived stories which contained an element of legend gathered around his name, until at last, in the minds of the uncritical Protestant historians, he became the typical indulgence-monger, upon whom any well-worn anecdote might be fathered" (Beard, "Martin Luther", London, 1889, 210). For a critical scholarly study which shows him in a proper perspective, he had to wait the researches of our own time, mainly at the hands of Dr. Nicholas Paulus, who is closely followed in this article. In the first place, his teaching regarding the indulgences for the living was correct. The charge that the forgiveness of sins was sold for money regardless of contrition or that absolution for sins to be committed in the future could be purchased is baseless. An indulgence, he writes, can be applied only "to the pains of sin which are confessed and for which there is contrition". "No one", he furthermore adds, "secures an indulgence unless he have true contrition". The confessional letters (confessionalia) could of course be obtained for a mere pecuniary consideration without demanding contrition. But such document did not secure an indulgence. It was simply a permit to select a proper confessor, who only after a contrite confession would absolve from sin and reserved cases, and who possessed at the same time facilities to impart the plenary indulgence (Paulus, "Johann Tetzel", 103).

Johann Tetzel

390 posted on 07/10/2018 3:49:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Luircin
Because Leo X used the services of John Tetzel, who preached that buying an indulgence could forgive the sin of raping the virgin Mary. (Tetzel said it, not me.)

The Bible's Mary or Rome's Mary?

391 posted on 07/10/2018 3:49:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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