Posted on 06/21/2018 6:41:20 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
(Newsmax) – Last week, Bishop Edward Weisenburger of Tucson called upon his fellow bishops to issue a "prophetic statement" on immigration that would support "canonical penalties for Catholics who are involved" in implementing President Trump's immigration policy.
Why would the thought of excommunication even enter the mind of Bishop Weisenburger? Does he mean to say that any Catholic Border Patrol Agent or ICE Officers enforcing the law are "obstinately preserving in manifest grave sin"?
If so, what is the "grave sin" that meets the criterion of excommunication according to Canon 915?
The 19,500 employees of the U. S. Border Control and the 20,000 of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have the job of enforcing the law of securing our national borders. (There are approximately 20,000 U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcements Officers. Of the 19,437 Border Agents, 16,605 are assigned to the Southwest Border.) None of these are responsible for our nation's immigration laws or for the administrative policies of implementing them.
These are the same agents and officers who, under President Obama, deported a record 2.4 million immigrants between 2009 and 2016. Janet Murguia, the president of the National Council of La Raza called Obama the "Deporter-In-Chief."
Where was the bishop's outrage then, towards President Obama or the ICE and the Border Patrol employees enforcing his policies?
Bishop Weisenburger believes that these same employees, working under President Trump, are now in spiritual danger; canonical penalties are needed "for the salvation of those people's souls." It should be noted that Bishop Weisenburger mentioned other "border bishops" who shared his pastoral concern.
Imagine being a Border Patrol officer reading the paper at breakfast and learning you are targeted for "canonical penalties" just for doing your job. He asks himself, "Do I have to confess my occupation to my priest in confession?"
So much for the "who am I to judge" spirit expressed by Pope Francis.
The Bishops have already started preparation to deny President Trump a second term in office. I'm sure I'm not the only Catholic to think it unnecessary, even cruel, to threaten all the Catholics among the 39,500 federal employees of ICE and the Border Patrol with excommunication.
Some bishops justify their high dudgeon by arguing that asylum is a life issue, "an instrument to preserve the right life." By using the term "asylum," the bishops are trying to link immigration directly with escape from torture or persecution.
That argument digs the Bishop's hole deeper. Let's assume immigration actually has the status of a life issue. If so, where are the bishop's public threats of excommunication toward all the Catholics in Congress who support abortion-on-demand and the funding of Planned Parenthood? (Only two of the 89 Catholic Democrats in Congress are pro-life.)
Let's face it, the bishops have lost all credibility when it comes to abortion. Any attempt to connect the moral seriousness of abortion to immigration is a non-starter. The laity won't buy it any more than they did in the 2016 election.
Bishop Weisenburger himself resides in a state where three of its Catholic members of Congress are rated 100 percent pro-abortion by Planned Parenthood (Tom O'Halleran, Raul Grijalva, and Ruben Gallego, all Democrats). Has he publicly stated any concern for the salvation of their souls?
What makes the situation all the more absurd is the fact that immigration is not a life issue the way abortion is a life issue. There is no single solution to the immigration problem — it's a prudential matter allowing disagreement among Catholics regarding law and policy, including disagreements with the Bishops.
Many bishops have become dismissive of this point when it is raised. Newark's Cardinal Tobin thinks those who call immigration a prudential matter are seeking to reduce its importance, concluding, "I don't have a whole lot of time for people who reduce things to prudential judgment."
What does the Cardinal think about the Catechism's teaching on just war?
"The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good" (2309). Immigration policy is precisely that kind of issue. Abortion, however, is wrong "under any circumstance" (2258).
Cardinal Tobin has no time for such distinctions.
However, the crucial distinction is alive and well in the 2015 "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship" — "Decisions about candidates and choices about public policies require clear commitment to moral principles, careful discernment and prudential judgments based on the values of our faith."
The intention of using excommunication to force Catholics into line about immigration policy is demeaning. It won't be viewed as an opportunity for spiritual healing but as punishment for being part of the Trump administration.
For decades, pro-life Catholics have begged the bishops to get tough with pro-abortion politicians. A few stepped up to the plate only to be scorned and isolated by their brother bishops (Bishop Gracida, Bishop Bruskewitz, and Cardinal Burke).
This level of hostility towards Trump, his staff, employees, and supporters is dividing even further an already divided Church. I've yet to hear a single bishop object to threats of excommunication over disagreements on immigration policy.
None of them, evidently, wants to disrupt the episcopal momentum towards the defeat of President Trump in 2020.
How many boy buggering priests have been excommunicated?
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Stop dragging your kids across half a continent, subjecting them to huge immoral risks of snakebite and sex trafficking and miserable death by dehydration in the Sonoran Desert! Stop putting them in the hands of hideous criminal cartels!
Mexico has so much potential to be a great, great country: by far the richest country in Central America, mammoth natural resources, huge historic cultural wealth, and (believe me) some very fine people.
Why don't the have an honest go at crushing the criminals and seizing control of their own future? For Christ's sake! Viva Cristo Rey!
I concur with your call to prayer. We should park ourselves by the tens of thousands in front of his chancery office with banners, rosaries and drums.
What Mexico needs is not emigration. What they need is revolution.
Catholic Charities rakes in mega bucks to care for illegals for the US Government. The Catholic Church is not the only one, several churches contract to care for illegals.
Teehee. An Irish parishioner at my Church walked over to the rectory when the Irish Pastor was late for 6:15 A.M. Mass, threw a handfull of gravel at the priest’s window and when the priest opened his window the guy said “ get your ass over to Mass man”. True story.
Six of the nine contractors are religious groups --- WND reported --- namely
... The latter two include a plethora of evangelical groups.
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Maybe he wants them to get jobs a facility that specializes in women and children - like an abortion clinic. (Has he ever excommunicated a politician that voted for abortion?)
He needs to be --- admonished.
By the sensus fidelium --- that's us.
"Bishop Weisenburger himself resides in a state where three of its Catholic members of Congress are rated 100 percent pro-abortion by Planned Parenthood (Tom O'Halleran, Raul Grijalva, and Ruben Gallego, all Democrats). Has he publicly stated any concern for the salvation of their souls?"
According to the article, sounds like "no".
“What an asshole. I’d like to get a bunch of Irish Catholics, like me, and go kick the shit out of this guy.”
Aren’t we Catholics forbidden from laying hands on the clergy? Correct me if I’m wrong.
“Aren’t we Catholics forbidden from laying hands on the clergy? Correct me if I’m wrong.”
Times are a changin’.
Yes!
Yes I didn’t mean to sound like I was singling out the Catholics, I usually point out that most of the major religions are involved- for that I apologize. I am really tired this evening, so was posting poorly.
This started with President Bush (Jr) wanting to replace some of the government spending with faith based charities. I don’t know if it evolved into paying for the charity work under him or later. It gives the government cover though- if they are asked who is taking care of XYZ the response is faith based charities- or they name the charity involved. They do not say it is a contract and they are paid...leading we the people to believe services are not paid for by we the people- when we are paying.
He is wrong on this issue but it does not follow that means he is a pedophile. It is wrong to spread malicious lies just because you don’t agree with a person’s view points. Or is it all Catholic clergy who fall under this opinion?
My Irish Catholic grandfather gave ‘the clergy’ the same treatment they gave his son (my father) in Cork. It wasn’t pleasant for ‘the clergy’ but they certainly deserved it. It appears you are wrong.
Why should a Catholic have to do that? if a church has beliefs, and if a country has a separation of church and state, the church and the state should deal with it. (Probably neither of them will listen to you anyway)
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