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To: ealgeone
This coming from a Roman Catholic who places his hopes of avoiding the hell-fire in a piece of cloth and quite possibly a medal and who takes the words of an apparition over the words of inspired Scripture.

I have never claimed that I, nor any other Catholic, is a "sola scriptura" adherent. But I do think it's hypocritical that those adherents do make up stuff about Mary having born many children, Her sinfullness and Her Virginity even though there's no mention in scripture.

64 posted on 05/28/2018 8:22:47 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Scripture is clear...there is only ONE way to Heaven....

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6 NASB

10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. Romans 5:10 NASB

Do you believe what John and Paul wrote in these verses?

65 posted on 05/28/2018 8:26:17 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
But I do think it's hypocritical that those adherents do make up stuff about Mary having born many children, Her sinfullness and Her Virginity even though there's no mention in scripture.

In Jewish culture, many children are conneccted with the blessing of God.

Mary was neither sinless, perpetually virgin, as Scripture records that she and Joseph did consummate their marriage, and she did have other children as Jesus was her FIRSTBORN.

Matthew 1:18-25 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly.

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us). When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Psalm 69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.

Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”

Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”

John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”

John 7:2-5 Now the Jews’ Feast of Booths was at hand. So his brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” For not even his brothers believed in him.

Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers

1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?

Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother

Strong's Concordance

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

adelphos: a brother

Original Word: ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ

Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine

Transliteration: adelphos

Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')

Short Definition: a brother

Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.

Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm

The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.

http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm

The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.

It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.

It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.

They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.

The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.

And it would not be *cousin*.

The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm

Strong's Concordance

suggenes: akin, a relative

Original Word: συγγενής, ές

Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: suggenes

Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')

Short Definition: akin, a relative

Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.

68 posted on 05/28/2018 8:30:29 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide
But I do think it's hypocritical that those adherents do make up stuff about Mary having born many children, Her sinfullness and Her Virginity even though there's no mention in scripture.

Jesus participated fully in our humanity. He got hungry, thirsty, tired, experienced all the human emotions, was tempted in every way just as we are.

How can one fully participate in sharing our humanity by having a perfect mother and no siblings to have to deal with sibling rivalry?

As an only child there's no way He could have the joy of being part of a large family or being tormented by siblings as they set Him up cause they were sick of hearing *Why can't you be more like Jesus?*

69 posted on 05/28/2018 8:34:36 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide
I have never claimed that I, nor any other Catholic, is a "sola scriptura" adherent.

But you DO claim Roman 'tradition' or ELSE!!

77 posted on 05/28/2018 6:11:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
But I do think it's hypocritical that those adherents do make up stuff about Mary ...

Hello Rome!

78 posted on 05/28/2018 6:12:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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