Posted on 05/03/2018 3:32:33 PM PDT by NRx
A small leather case containing a fragment of bone claimed to be a relic of St Clement, a pope who was martyred almost 2,000 years ago, has been found in rubbish collected from central London.
The waste disposal firm is now appealing for suggestions from the public for a more suitable final resting place for a saint than a bin.
The box, originally sealed with red wax and tied with crimson cords, contained a scrap of bone under a glass dome, with a faded strip of paper labelling it “Oss. S Clementis” – bone of St Clement.
St Clement is a somewhat obscure figure, and details of his life are hazy and contradictory. However, he is said to have been martyred around the year 100 – just short of his own centenary – by the Roman emperor Trajan, by being tied to an anchor and thrown into the sea off the Crimea: his fate made him a patron saint of mariners.
He was an early Roman convert to Christianity, said to have been made a bishop by St Paul himself and in time became bishop of Rome, which made him the third pope after the martyrdom of the saints Peter and Linus. He is said to have written important letters of spiritual guidance to the Corinthians who gave St Paul so much trouble.
The little box ended up in the hands of the Enviro Waste firm, which collects both commercial and domestic waste. The case was found after a run that included several different sites in central London, and so the firm cannot pinpoint where the relic came from. It was spotted when employees were sorting through the load to separate out anything that could be recycled.
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The primary Catholic argument against sola scriptura is that the Bible does not explicitly teach sola scriptura. Catholics argue that the Bible nowhere states that it is the only authoritative guide for faith and practice. While this is true, they fail to recognize a crucially important issue. We know that the Bible is the Word of God. The Bible declares itself to be God-breathed, inerrant, and authoritative. We also know that God does not change His mind or contradict Himself. So, while the Bible itself may not explicitly argue for sola scriptura, it most definitely does not allow for traditions that contradict its message. Sola scriptura is not as much of an argument against tradition as it is an argument against unbiblical, extra-biblical and/or anti-biblical doctrines. The only way to know for sure what God expects of us is to stay true to what we know He has revealed—the Bible. We can know, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that Scripture is true, authoritative, and reliable. The same cannot be said of tradition.
Sola scriptura does not nullify the concept of church traditions. Rather, sola scriptura gives us a solid foundation on which to base church traditions. There are many practices, in both Catholic and Protestant churches, that are the result of traditions, not the explicit teaching of Scripture. It is good, and even necessary, for the church to have traditions. Traditions play an important role in clarifying and organizing Christian practice. At the same time, in order for these traditions to be valid, they must not be in disagreement with God’s Word. They must be based on the solid foundation of the teaching of Scripture. The problem with the Roman Catholic Church, and many other churches, is that they base traditions on traditions which are based on traditions which are based on traditions, often with the initial tradition not being in full harmony with the Scriptures. That is why Christians must always go back to sola scriptura, the authoritative Word of God, as the only solid basis for faith and practice.
Again, traditions are not the problem. Unbiblical traditions are the problem. The availability of the Scriptures throughout the centuries is not the determining factor. The Scriptures themselves are the determining factor. We now have the Scriptures readily available to us. Through the careful study of God’s Word, it is clear that many church traditions which have developed over the centuries are in fact contradictory to the Word of God. This is where sola scriptura applies. Traditions that are based on, and in agreement with, God’s Word can be maintained. Traditions that are not based on, and/or disagree with, God’s Word must be rejected. Sola scriptura points us back to what God has revealed to us in His Word. Sola scriptura ultimately points us back to the God who always speaks the truth, never contradicts Himself, and always proves Himself to be dependable.
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Already have.
But I seriously doubt you will.
no problem with that, what does it have to do with sola scriptura?
where does it say in the bible that the bible is the only authority? I’m waiting still.
Well, it sure seems you have a problem with the verse posted.
what does it have to do with sola scriptura?
Because Rome has added to the Word with their "Sacred Tradition". At Trent Rome declared "Sacred Tradition" to be equal to that of Scripture. Uninspired, contradictory writings, were considered to be equal to inspired, God breathed writings.
I cannot help you see what you refuse to see.
Now, run along and go play.
where is it? I’ve read the whole thing, it isn’t there. I do see where it says by written or oral, but nothing that says sola scriptura. Be specific
Now, run along and play.
Yes, they also universally ignore scripture about ‘this is my body’ and my flesh is real food, my blood is real drink, I think I saw something like that in the bible a time or two, along with a guy named Jesus dressing down some who thought it was a hard thing to believe.
can’t see what isn’t there
WTF are you talking about? I just want to see the scripture that says the bible is the sole authority. Provide it. I know nothing about a Mormon bible, although I did go to a Mormon funeral last month.
Do you have to go to a Mormon to prove sola scriptura?
Yet somehow, Rome sees a lot of things that aren't in there as their own writings admit.
If you really read my post you might understand that as I provided an example of but one of Rome's "Traditions" not found or supported by Scripture.
And as witnessed on so many ocassions, it is usually the Roman Catholic, though not always, that is the first to resort to profanity and/or the personal attack when the argument goes against the.
I just want to see the scripture that says the bible is the sole authority. Provide it. I know nothing about a Mormon bible, although I did go to a Mormon funeral last month. Do you have to go to a Mormon to prove sola scriptura?
I use Mormons to illustrate the point as Mormons also claim, like Roman Catholics, that Scripture is insufficient as THE authoritative source even though Scripture does say it is.
Both Roman Catholicism and Mormonism both appeal to non-Scriptural writings for some of their beliefs.
If you want to say that the inspired Word of God is somehow insufficient for you and that you need to look to uninspired writings from created beings as holding equal, and in some cases, more truth.....then I cannot help you.
Scripture does attest to itself in being the final authority.
14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:14-17 NASB
Again, I find it compelling that Rome did not add one of the writings from the ECF to their canon at Trent when they had the chance to do so.
Did that malefactor on the cross ever take communion? NO... and Christ told him He would see him in paradise. Communion is a very special 'one on one' interaction with the individual and Christ as remembrance in Him, willingly being the one and for all time perfect sacrifice. He was the 'tree of life' in the garden and He still is. God did NOT give power to anyone but the individual to partake in communion... By the way does the 'unleavened' bread taste like flesh man? I know the wine does not taste like blood.
Christ gave Peter KEYS already cut, not a locksmith shop, that needs every so often new groves added.
Speaking of Peter, Catholic doctrine has moved so far away from what Peter wrote and was Written that Peter did, it is as if Peter is only a magical icon for man's traditions... Problem is things are unfolding just as foretold, and the biggest baddest church is up to its eyeballs on the negative sides of prophecy.
Paul said the ‘saints’, chosen, set aside were elected at the ‘foundation of this world’... That would be between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Who ever decided they had power to pronounce somebody a ‘saint’ ignored the Word at their own peril... Things are moving along just as foretold.
“Sola scriptura (Latin: by scripture alone) is a theological doctrine held by Christian denominations that the Christian scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice.”
No, not quite complete.
Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true.
“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).
Everything necessary for salvation and Christian maturity is found in Scripture.
It is the highest authority because it came from God the Holy Spirit and is unchangeable, unlike other sources of authority.
}the only thing that matters is scripture period, which is what sola scriptura means.
No it does not mean that.
I have no problem with any of that. Where does it say scripture alone?
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