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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: editor-surveyor
LOL.
So your ONLY argument is to say that the writer of Hebrews REALLY means the exact opposite of what the plain text says with not a single shred of evidence.
And your little ‘no u’ reply is about what I expected from a mental midget like you.
601
posted on
04/26/2018 6:20:36 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Rood better watch out; e-s might make him end up like John Lennon.
After all, he admitted upthread that he thinks Rood is bigger than Jesus!
602
posted on
04/26/2018 6:22:08 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; metmom; Mark17
What do y’all think is the reason for such obstinate loyalty? Many shekels already invested in books/videos, etc. as well as Internet defending to let go of pride and admit the Rood truth that he’s a fraud? Is it a guy thing?
We can pray for spiritual eyes to be opened to the true gospel seeing as our earnest contentions for the faith once delivered unto the saints aren’t getting through.
603
posted on
04/26/2018 8:18:56 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: boatbums
A spirit of delusion that is common in all cultists. Ive seen it many times.
To: boatbums
What do yall think is the reason for such obstinate loyalty? Many shekels already invested in books/videos, etc. as well as Internet defending to let go of pride and admit the Rood truth that hes a fraud? Is it a guy thing?
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I don’t think it’s a guy thing, though guys tend to be much louder and in-your-face about refusing to be wrong. In my experience at least.
Depends on how Rood gets people to join his little cult. Could be the result of full on thought reform, or could just be the same reason that liberals throw their tantrums. Too much emotional investment, not enough critical thinking.
605
posted on
04/26/2018 8:42:45 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: boatbums
That or e-s actually IS Rood trying to get more people to buy into his insane fake-Jewish crap.
He hasn’t denied it!
606
posted on
04/26/2018 8:46:09 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Awaiting Steelfish's List of +2,000 "protestant theologians that converted to catholicism" Hey bro, before you get that list, you will be in the presence of Jesus, and that great Protestant theologian, brother Martin Luther, who lives rent free, in the minds of some false religionists. I wont mention any names, but you can use your imagination. 😁
607
posted on
04/26/2018 9:08:20 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; Mark17; metmom
A spirit of delusion that is common in all cultists. Ive seen it many times. Yet, as myself and many others out there know God is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek Him and He promises He WILL be found when we search for Him with all our heart. There has always been deception and Scripture warns us that the devil is out there as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. I've heard that a roaring lion in a hunt is usually the older toothless ones and they scare the prey towards the lions that actually do the kill. Satan can NEVER snatch a soul away from God if the person is seeking the truth, but he is more than happy to continue to lead them astray. Those who reject the truth over and over again have their consciences scarred to the point that they can no longer feel their need to run away.
I wholeheartedly believe that even people bound up in cults and false religions CAN be freed when they sincerely want to know the truth and let go of their pride and come to Christ like a little child - it happened to me. Religions that teach man must deserve, merit or work for their salvation have the strongest hold on prideful people - because they are convinced of their own goodness. God will not force anyone to leave their religion but the Holy Spirit DOES soften the hearts of anyone who humbly turns to Jesus Christ and they will receive His gift of eternal life through faith because of the grace of God. Those who stubbornly hold to their works to merit their own justification will one day come to realize they cannot save themselves but it may come too late. We should pray for them to have their eyes and hearts opened to the urging of the Holy Spirit so they can be saved. It is why we here participate on these threads. We never know who might be reading. It is a mission field.
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posted on
04/26/2018 11:07:45 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: Luircin
I’ve had my suspicions about that, too.
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posted on
04/26/2018 11:08:23 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212
Shouldnt you be embarrassed when a Protestant seminary ends up producing Catholic converts? Have you tried hiding under a rock?
Taken from:
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2016/07/19/evangelical-exodus-the-protestant-seminary-that-produced-dozens-of-catholic-converts/
Evangelical Exodus: The Protestant seminary that produced dozens of Catholic converts
You wouldnt find the thousands of their names because of the stigma that attaches to them from friends and family.
CWR: One common obstacle to conversion is the stigma it can carry with itpeople can lose their friends and family, their whole social and professional network. Was this something you encountered? Is it a common issue with converts from SES?
To: boatbums; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; Luircin; ealgeone
Those who reject the truth over and over again have their consciences scarred to the point that they can no longer feel their need to run away.You are correct BB. I have felt that way for decades. I have seen people resist the Holy Spirit, so intensely, that the veins of one guys neck stood out. His life took a notable down turn after that. We dont see any of that anywhere around here, do we? 😁
I wholeheartedly believe that even people bound up in cults and false religions CAN be freed when they sincerely want to know the truth and let go of their pride and come to Christ like a little child - it happened to me.
You are correct again BB. It has happened to many of us. As you know, I also left a false religious cult, that will remain unnamed, but I think you can guess what it was. I was embarrassed by all the false doctrines. I lost friends. My family had a funeral for me, but, I made new friends, and out of 6 siblings, 5 have left that false cult, that will still remain unnamed. There was a stigma to leaving, but I survived. 😁👍
611
posted on
04/27/2018 12:25:47 AM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
612
posted on
04/27/2018 4:26:31 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
Michael Rood has never taught a single word that is not verbatim from the KJV.
All one has to do is remove the italicised lies and confusion from the KJV and you have exactly what Michael teaches.
Well; isn't THIS special!!
613
posted on
04/27/2018 4:28:55 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
...from the KJV. I guess it's back to Slick Willy to get the definition of: FROM.
614
posted on
04/27/2018 4:29:57 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
Why do you hate all who preach the word?HMMMmmm...
Matthew 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written,
He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up,
lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
615
posted on
04/27/2018 4:33:10 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
His work has proven that he is a called teacher, while your posting history here proves you to be called by the adversary.Calling something 'proven' and actually Showing something 'proven' are two different things.
You have NOT done the latter though you do the former quite expertly.
616
posted on
04/27/2018 4:34:43 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
You speak of things you dont know nor understand.
Your generalizations are typical devil-speak.
617
posted on
04/27/2018 4:39:17 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Luircin
E-s claims that #fakerabbi has a following of over 5% of the population of the United States. Not quite.
He typed 'americas'.
That includes North, Central and South.
618
posted on
04/27/2018 4:41:08 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Steelfish
Taken from: Catholic World Report
Well; it MUST be true then!!
619
posted on
04/27/2018 4:43:45 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Steelfish
You wouldnt find the thousands of their names because of the stigma that attaches to them from friends and family.Then they be POOR Catholics; who; on FR at least; just LOVE to revel in their victimhoodiness!
620
posted on
04/27/2018 4:45:06 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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