The following are SOME OF the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!
Posted on 04/17/2018 8:56:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Have you been burned by a false prophecy? Did you lose your faith when a promised healing never came? Have you had it with flaky teaching in the name of "new revelation"? If so, you are not alone. There are more Charismatic casualties than many of us would care to admit.
But let me start here with an honest confession. My own experience in Pentecostal-Charismatic circles has been far more positive than negative. I have worked with the same leadership team for more than 20 years. I have had the privilege of serving with men and women of integrity all around the world – I'm talking about Pentecostal-Charismatic leaders around the globe.
I was saved in a Pentecostal church in 1971 and transformed by an outpouring of the Spirit in 1982. I was on the front lines of the Brownsville Revival from 1996-2000, and grads from our ministry school are bearing amazing fruit around the world. And while I have seen my share of scandals and false prophecies and leadership abuses and weirdness, it has been the exception far more than the rule.
Sadly, for many others, the opposite has proved true. For them, there is little or nothing good in the Pentecostal-Charismatic movement. They have been hurt or confused or abused, causing some to reject the move of the Spirit today and causing others to lose their faith entirely. My heart breaks over all these Charismatic casualties, and it is high time that we set our house in order.
I recently read a book critiquing the movement, and in my opinion, it was totally over the top in its criticisms.
Putting aside the scriptural errors I found in the book, it painted a terribly caricatured picture, one that was so exaggerated it was hardly recognizable to me. Yet as I read reviews to the book posted by readers, I saw that many of them were adding their hearty Amen. The picture it painted was all too familiar to them.
I'm aware, of course, that every church (or ministry or denomination or leader) has its critics. You can find horror stories everywhere, and if a church or ministry is big enough, you can find lots of negative reports from those who were allegedly burned by that church or ministry. But when you hear the same story over and over again from people from varied backgrounds, you know that something, somewhere is wrong.
When it comes to the Pentecostal-Charismatic movement, there is no shortage of amazing stories of what the Lord is doing in virtually every nation on the planet. This is truly a stunning, Jesus-exalting, multi-generational work of the Holy Spirit. I see no way to deny that for a split second.
Even more importantly, based on Scripture, I find it indisputable that the gifts and power of the Spirit are to continue in operation until Jesus returns.
But that doesn't minimize the damage that has been done in the name of the Spirit, and there are all too many casualties because of unchecked abuses. Out of love for the Lord and love for His people, we need to step higher.
Although my new book, "Playing with Holy Fire", just came out a few days ago, I'm already seeing a pattern in the reviews being posted by readers.
One reader wrote, "Dr. Michael Brown's very timely and balanced work really addressed where I am right now: disillusioned and heartbroken over the abuses of the contemporary church (this goes beyond the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement, though it is centered there). Furthermore, he encouraged my heart, showing me that I am not alone, and providing a Biblical way forward."
Another commented on Facebook that reading the book was bringing them healing from the negative experiences they had in our circles. Still another wrote, "As a former cessationist who was a cessationist BECAUSE of the abuse I saw happening in exercising the Holy Spirit's gifts, it concerns me too. Both because these abuses keep a very large section of the church away from desiring and pursuing something God wants them to have, but also because it harms our testimonies among unbelievers. This book will definitely be going to the top of my reading list!"
Other pastors and leaders are saying, "At last! These abuses needed to be addressed."
So, while I rejoice in what the Spirit is doing around the world, I grieve over the many who have been hurt and disillusioned because of human error and human sin and human carelessness. Truly, we have been given much by the Lord. And that means that much will be required of us.
May we walk worthy of the Holy Spirit's high calling. And may the name of Jesus be exalted, not tarnished, by our lives and ministries as Pentecostal and Charismatic believers.
The stakes are way too high to play games.
But I do not dismiss the idea that the BOM was demonically/supernaturally conceived, in fact, I do believe it was conceived in this manner... ala automatic writing, etc.
Actually, after reading 1 Corinthians 13, it seems to me that the perfection that comes is being perfected in love, not the completion of the NT Scripture.
I never could figure out how people presume that Scripture being complete was the perfection coming that caused the gifts to allegedly cease.
Everything in the OT points to Christ.
God promised a redeemer to Adam and Eve right there in the Garden.
Man CANNOT get to God on his own.
God said that the soul that sinned would die.
ONE sin, and you are separated from God forever unless justice is done for that sin.
That was the whole point of substitutionary sacrifices.
But the blood of bulls and goats could not take away sin.
The only way death could be conquered was if a perfect person died. Death would be powerless to hold him.
So when we turn to Christ for forgiveness, God cancels the sin account we have and a legal transaction takes place where we are declared forgiven. Then He can relate to us as if we had never sinned and we gain access to heaven.
All the law keeping and good works we do can never cancel out the disobedience we did against God. It’s the wrong payment for the debt we owe Him.
Haha, good one!
It is judgmental. We’ve been through this before, in the same way that the Magisterium sees itself above the authority of the Word of God, so did the various higher and lower critics of the OT and NT texts. It is not seen how Tischendorf’s Sinaticus (Alef) codex got to be useful, judged by the St. Catherine monks to be valueless and found in the burn barrel to light their fires, then resurrected by Tischendorf, other than that it was deemed to be older than B yzantine/Majority Textforms, used and thus preserved by the churches for 1500 years. The only reason Alef got old was because nobody used it. Just one example. Etc.
No; they can't.
Can't say WHY they do NOT use the JST; either!
HA HA!!
Circular logic for ME; but none for THEE!
No; JS did!
1–5, All who are faithful will see the Lord; 6–18, John bore record that the Son of God went from grace to grace until he received a fulness of the glory of the Father; 19–20, Faithful men, going from grace to grace, will also receive of his fulness; 21–22, Those who are begotten through Christ are the Church of the Firstborn; 23–28, Christ received a fulness of all truth, and man by obedience may do likewise; 29–32, Man was in the beginning with God; 33–35, The elements are eternal, and man may receive a fulness of joy in the Resurrection; 36–37, The glory of God is intelligence; 38–40, Children are innocent before God because of the redemption of Christ; 41–53, The leading brethren are commanded to set their families in order.
1Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who aforsaketh his bsins and cometh unto me, and ccalleth on my name, and dobeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall esee my fface and gknow that I am;
2And that I am the true alight that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3And that I am ain the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—
4The Father abecause he bgave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made cflesh my dtabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.
5I was in the world and received of my Father, and the aworks of him were plainly manifest.
6And aJohn saw and bore record of the fulness of my bglory, and the fulness of cJohn’s record is hereafter to be revealed.
7And he bore record, saying: I saw his glory, that he was in the abeginning, before the world was;
8Therefore, in the beginning the aWord was, for he was the Word, even the messenger of salvation—
9The alight and the Redeemer of the world; the Spirit of truth, who came into the world, because the world was made by him, and in him was the life of men and the light of men.
10The worlds were amade by him; men were made by him; all things were made by him, and through him, and of him.
11And I, John, abear record that I beheld his bglory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.
12And I, John, saw that he received not of the afulness at the first, but received bgrace for grace;
13And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from agrace to grace, until he received a fulness;
14And thus he was called the aSon of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first.
15And I, aJohn, bear record, and lo, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him, and there came a voice out of heaven saying: This is my bbeloved Son.
16And I, John, bear record that he received a fulness of the glory of the Father;
17And he received aall bpower, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him.
18And it shall come to pass, that if you are faithful you shall receive the afulness of the record of John.
19I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and aknow what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.
20For if you keep my acommandments you shall receive of his bfulness, and be cglorified in me as I am in the Father; therefore, I say unto you, you shall receive dgrace for grace.
21And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the abeginning with the Father, and am the bFirstborn;
22And all those who are begotten through me are apartakers of the bglory of the same, and are the cchurch of the Firstborn.
23Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is aSpirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24And atruth is bknowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25And whatsoever is amore or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a bliar from the beginning.
26The Spirit of atruth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He breceived a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth;
27And no man receiveth a afulness unless he keepeth his commandments.
28He that akeepeth his commandments receiveth btruth and clight, until he is glorified in truth and dknoweth all things.
29Man was also in the abeginning with God. bIntelligence, or the clight of dtruth, was not ecreated or made, neither indeed can be.
30All truth is independent in that asphere in which God has placed it, to bact for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
31Behold, here is the aagency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is bplainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light.
32And every man whose spirit receiveth not the alight is under condemnation.
33For man is aspirit. The elements are beternal, and cspirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;
34And when aseparated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.
35The aelements are the btabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even ctemples; and whatsoever temple is ddefiled, God shall destroy that temple.
36The aglory of God is bintelligence, or, in other words, clight and truth.
37Light and truth forsake that aevil one.
38Every aspirit of man was binnocent in the beginning; and God having credeemed man from the dfall, men became again, in their infant state, einnocent before God.
39And that awicked one cometh and btaketh away light and truth, through cdisobedience, from the children of men, and because of the dtradition of their fathers.
40But I have commanded you to bring up your achildren in blight and truth.
41But verily I say unto you, my servant Frederick G. Williams, you have continued under this condemnation;
42You have not ataught your children light and truth, according to the commandments; and that wicked one hath power, as yet, over you, and this is the cause of your baffliction.
43And now a commandment I give unto you—if you will be delivered you shall set in aorder your own house, for there are many things that are not right in your house.
44Verily, I say unto my servant Sidney Rigdon, that in some things he hath not kept the commandments concerning his children; therefore, first set in order thy house.
45Verily, I say unto my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., or in other words, I will call you afriends, for you are my friends, and ye shall have an inheritance with me—
46I called you aservants for the world’s sake, and ye are their servants for my sake—
47And now, verily I say unto Joseph Smith, Jun.—You have not kept the commandments, and must needs stand arebuked before the Lord;
48Your afamily must needs repent and forsake some things, and give more earnest heed unto your sayings, or be removed out of their place.
49What I say unto one I say unto all; apray always lest that wicked one have power in you, and remove you out of your place.
50My servant Newel K. Whitney also, a bishop of my church, hath need to be achastened, and set in border his family, and see that they are more cdiligent and concerned at home, and pray always, or they shall be removed out of their dplace.
51Now, I say unto you, my friends, let my servant Sidney Rigdon go on his journey, and make haste, and also proclaim the aacceptable year of the Lord, and the bgospel of salvation, as I shall give him utterance; and by your prayer of faith with one consent I will uphold him.
52And let my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Frederick G. Williams make haste also, and it shall be given them even according to the prayer of faith; and inasmuch as you keep my sayings you shall not be confounded in this world, nor in the world to come.
53And, verily I say unto you, that it is my will that you should ahasten to btranslate my scriptures, and to cobtain a dknowledge of history, and of countries, and of kingdoms, of elaws of God and man, and all this for the salvation of Zion. Amen.
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
Abuse of the Gifts in charismania is so dramatically heretical and dangerous to people's faith that I rarely even think about the unbelief of Cessationism and their cut-and-paste attitude towards the Word.
Plus, they seem to pin their entire argument on New Testament verses.
If God played indian-giver with some of the Gifts there'd be explanation in the Old Testament.
GBU MM
I want to thank you for your teachings on Mormonism all these years.
You may not see the link here, but Mormons themselves have stated that the “same spirit that wrote the BOM also informed Rick Joyner” of the NAR.
One of the ways God showed Christ was the promised Messiah by rending the Temple curtain when Christ died on the Cross.
(You do understand what a huge supernatural event the tearing of the curtain was for the Jews at that time, right?)
Bickering about the KJV doesn’t negate all the signs and wonders that proved Christ was who He said He was in the midst of the educated Jews of His day.
So, if the KJV isn’t truly the Gospel, what is Christ’s message?
The burden of proof is on you first to prove Jesus was not the Chosen One, then you can argue about why the KJV isn’t Christ’s true message.
Today, we would call what Joseph Smith did “automatic writing”.
THAT is revealing.......
Nice try bro, but I don’t do the Torah, and neither does one, single solitary person on earth, so that won’t fly at the great white throne judgment. This same Jesus of Nazareth, that billions have denied, will have them tossed into the lake of fire 🔥
I recall what Jesus said to Saul of Tarsus, when he knocked Saul (Paul) off his high horse, Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. You may continue to do the same thing as Paul did, but that’s on you bro. You are entitled to your own opinion, but 99.9999% of us will disagree with you. Get used to it. I have no idea where you plan to spend eternity, but again, that’s on you bro.
+1
Keep telling the truth to those who are perishing, bro!
Again, you merely repeat chrstian claims. I know what chrstians believe (having once been one). I'm saying you have to prove that it is what it says it is. And you can't do that by merely quoting it, since its authority is the point at issue. You do know the rules of argumentation, right?
The truth of the Torah can be proven externally, without quoting the Torah. Apparently the "new testament" cannot, since I've never run into a chrstian who did anything other than quote it to "prove" it.
It may have been that. Let me tell you what a retired USAF CMS in Texas, told me. He was an expert on the false religion of Mormonism. His idea, was a lot simpler than that. Joe Smith was a con man, a teller of tall tales. He thought Smith’s motivation was simply to write a fairytale, and make some money on it. He said he didn’t think Smith intended to start a new religion, but it got away from him, so he went along with it.
No matter how it came about, the Book of Mormon, definitely is a fairytale, that will land millions in the lake of fire.
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