Posted on 01/27/2018 6:52:30 AM PST by tiredofallofit
Okay, so there is more than just one problem with the KJV Only movement. I know that. But having grown up in a KJV only church, there is one major problem that sticks out to me above the rest. It is not just a major problem; it is an insurmountable problem. And it drives me crazy.
If the King James Version, which is a 1611 English translation of the Bible, is truly the only infallible, inerrant, and inspired Word of God, then what about the billions of people who have lived and died and never understood a word of English? At this very moment, there are more than 6 billion people in the world who understand little or no English.
And lest we forget, it wasn’t until 1455 that the first Bible was printed (on the Gutenberg Press) and then much later into the 16th century before the Bible became affordable and widely available. These early Bibles were printed in Latin. This begs an important question. Did the Faithful over the centuries who either never had access to the Bible or had to read it in Latin go to hell because they never held the King James Version in their hands?
By claiming that the King James Version is God’s only chosen version, the KJV Only crowd is dismissing tens of centuries of Christendom and implying that the majority of the world populations today cannot know the truth of God’s word. Such a claim is arrogant and nonsensical. Most of these KJV types proclaim their adherence to “Sola Scriptura” yet nowhere in the King James Version does it tell us which version is the true one. Many of these same people also express their disdain for the”traditions of men” while at the same time swearing allegiance...
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“You are probably thinking of Gail Riplinger.”
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Yup, that’s who I had in mind.Although I don’t care for many of the modernized versions, I can’t see KJV-only as the way to go. The language of KJV is beautiful in many places though.
And, the KJV is common use now is a 1697 (I think) revision of the 1611 version, which was written in Middle English (think Chaucer), that the vast majority of English-speaking people couldn’t read at the point of a gun.
Except that is not what Scripture says - "Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. Acts 8:29-31
You would have to grow up in a church that taught KJV only to understand fully what this is about I suppose. No mainline denomination that I know of adheres to KJV onlyism but there are plenty of smaller independent churches that do.
... and the Challoner Douay-Rheims is a 1752 revision drawing heavily from the KJV, due to the absolute disastrous, transliterated Latin Vulgate-to-English flop that was the original Douay-Rheims.
Choices!
Remember when Jesus shared wisdom with His disciples and then warned them not to share it with others? This wisdom is not in the Bible, but the Bible will lead you to it.
The Bible leads you to be filled with the Holy Spirit which in turn leads you to Higher Wisdom, which in turn allows you to be aware and experience your communion with Jesus at all times. At this time you also become aware that Our Father that is in Jesus is also in us. (Think that is John 14)
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. (This is what communion with the Holy Spirit is all about)
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
(Bracketed words mine)
Blessings
PS. Jesus is here on earth right now. He is reaching down to lift us up to Him. That is the concept of rapture. Be raised up.
Thanks for giving me a chance to correct myself - the KJV now in use is a 1769 revision of the 1611 version.
There are many revisions to the KJV, just as there are many revisions to the Bible that your sect uses.
I like the ESV myself.
I especially like the footnotes that make note of the differences in manuscripts or alternate translations.
That's a real slap in the face for many very literate English speakers who have just a fine facility with the ENGLISH language but not so much with a version of English that is 500 years old.
Language changes and the meanings of words change over time.
The way the language is used and expressed changes also.
It is simply not an accurate measure of someone's facility with English to measure it with an archaic form of the language.
It's disingenuous to disparage someone and their facility with English simply because they are not familiar with KJ English.
That's how you're portraying people who don't appreciate KJ English as much as you. "Some who have less facility with the English language may struggle with the soaring, Shakespearean but somewhat archaic words and sentence structures."
They struggle because it's a different language, not because they have less facility with English.
“And the Spirit said to him...” By chance was that the Holy Spirit? Thus my point.
Here is the NIV translation.
Acts 8:29-31New International Version (NIV)
29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”
30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
32 This is the passage of Scripture the eunuch was reading:
“He was led like a sheep to the slaughter,
and as a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
33 In his humiliation he was deprived of justice.
Who can speak of his descendants?
For his life was taken from the earth.”[b]
34 The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?” 35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37] [c] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.
The eunuch in the Chariot who was reading Isiah did not know of Jesus and was not connected to the Holy Spirit, Philip was, as the Bible clearly states. “the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away,” is an indication that Philip baptized the eunuch with water, but as Philip was also filled with the Holy Spirit, by Philip introducing the eunuch to Jesus the Holy Spirit moved into the Eunuch. Philip merely lit the fire that continued burning after he left.
Clearly, the eunuch did not have the New Testament scriptures. Philip did not even have them available to him except for possibly a few scrolls. It was his words that were the Holy Spirit speaking through him that brought the eunuch to be “One with Jesus.” Use the Bible as your foundation or road map to find and fill yourself with the Holy Spirit. Then let the Holy Spirit do the work.
I found that after being filled with the Holy Spirit I could not get enough of Bible reading. It was like the sweetest candy to me, and it spoke to me in ways I had never experienced before.
If you always just focus on the road map in your travels, you will never see the road upon which you are driving, and will have difficulty reaching and experiencing your desired destination.
Blessings
Another logical fallacy.
Can you link us to a statement by anyone who has said that a person has to read the Bible in order to receive eternal salvation? That is the question I raised.
The argument raised in this article is a Straw Man. Because you are trying to change the subject from the question I raised, your point is a logical fallacy.
That phrase also originates in the 17th century. Would you like to abandon it for a more modern usage, or do you find it a useful and compelling idiom despite not really knowing the etymology of it?
You'll find that you use idioms drawn from the KJV almost daily.
I have found that Bible Gateway is a wonderful tool as it provides me with comparative versions of many scriptures.
When I am still stuck, I go to Strong’s Concordance for alternate word translations.
Although I pray and meditate for understanding the scriptures, I always go back to the scripture and reread it, seeking to understand if the meaning given in prayerful meditation fits. That’s where the detective work begins. If it does not reconcile, I put it on the shelf for future prayerful meditation.
Often if I read the Bible in the evening and ponder the meaning as I go to sleep, I will awake in the morning(usually about 3 am!!!) with full understanding.
Someone on this forum, a month or 2 ago, actually said that the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic were flawed, and that KJV corrected those flaws.
Jesus spoke in parables. Parables are much like a straw man in that you are using a similar situation to guide someone in a direction. A distractor can focus on the details and argue that they are different while missing the proverbial forest for the trees.
Like straw men, parables are never exact duplicates of the lesson.
I have no problem with a church that chooses to use the KJV in services. It’s not a bad translation. I do have a problem with churches that teach that the only way to understand the Word of God is if you use the KJV and that to use something else is wrong. These pastors are ignorant because they ignore the fact that before the 16th century, 99% of the world’s population never even touched a Bible. If you believe that the KJV is the only inerrant Word of God then it follows that all those who were without it (and without the Bible in general) in centuries past are lost!
Apparently you do not understand what a Straw Man logical fallacy is.
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