Posted on 01/11/2018 10:51:11 AM PST by ebb tide
Parish-Priest, “I Don’t Say the Creed Because I Do Not Believe in It”
Fr. Charles Grondin - March 07, 2017
Is the Nicene Creed Required at Sunday Mass?
The Profession of Faith (the Creed) should normally be said or sung at Sunday Masses (GIRM 68). The Roman Missal permits the option of using the Apostles’ Creed instead of the Nicene Creed.
https://www.catholic.com/qa/is-the-nicene-creed-required-at-sunday-mass
Once again, what has that pertain to a midnight Christmas Mass?
It wasn’t in the headline when I posted.
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The Rev. Charles R. Grondin, pastor of Blessed Sacrament Parish in Providence, said that when he speaks to cohabiting couples, his focus is on getting them back to Mass. “I don’t spend a lot of time talking about fornication. That horse has already left the barn.”
Nor does he try to pick out the people in his parish he thinks may be gay or cohabiting. “There’s nothing to be gained trying to investigate people’s lives for no reason. That would be an endless black hole.”
Are you Jimmy Akin, or one his worshippers?
More fruits of evolutionism and historical criticism on their inevitable journey to where it all logically leads.
That can't be right. It doesn't mention evolution.
Both, Protestant churches accept the Creed too as the fundamentals of the faith.
This included communion, which I personally related more to as the first Passover meal, yet which never gave me a lack of the feeling which I knew was obligatory to the faith I was helping to make stronger in others by my musical talents and ecclesiastiacal embrace.
This priest is selling his congregation short in not fulfilling his duties to and toward them.
If he feels he cannot do this in good conscience, he should resign rather than live in his lies, and do even worse by those who believe.
“Once again, how does that pertain to a midnight Christmas Mass?”
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The article provided scant detail or explanation about this incident.
I shall explain my comments. Let me quote your reply #6
“If you don’t know which Creed is recited during Mass, you shouldn’t post on catholic caucused threads.”
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You said only “Mass” which in normal English phrasing refers to any Mass. You didn’t specify Sunday, weekday, Christmas, or any other type of Mass.
So, upon reading your rebuke of another member, I looked up which creed is used in the Mass. It is factual that two creeds are used. Maybe you didn’t know that.
And you refuse to acknowledge this priest recited no creed at his supposed "mass".
Thanks for a great message. I also have a Jewish background, but was brought up as ‘nothing’, essentially. I minored in religion in college, and eventually chose Catholicism because of reasons that many of the Catholics on this site would abhor. Specifically, because of the concept of catholic = universal, and the foundation of catholicism on monotheistic Judaism. I personally know there is a God more profoundly than I know I have hands and eyes. That said, I also feel that the reality of God is far greater than my ~3 pound human brain could possibly understand. I know God through many Earthly miracles, including the light in the eyes of children, the playfulness and community of the animals in my back yard, the sacrifice I see people make for others every day, the love of parents for their children and for each other, and the decisions some make to lay down their lives for what they feel is right. That’s just for starters. To me, the specifics of God don’t matter so much, and are beyond me, but God defines to me the meaning of existence. I find it anti-intellectual to think that all of existence is ‘random’ and without meaning.
Anyway, sorry for the diatribe. Thanks again for your post.
He has to believe in it — otherwise he never would have been ordained a priest.
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Watering down doctrine.
This is not what REAL Catholic want.
It is a fundamental creed in all of Christianity, with only slight changes in wording from denomination to denomination.
He didn't comment on a caucused thread.
“You have yet posted a source...”
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You posted the sketchy article. Why don’t YOU go to the Italian blogger’s site that was the source of this “news”, and tell us which creed the priest refused to recite — and which line or lines he doesn’t believe?
You don’t acknowledge that two creeds, Apostles and Nicene, are authorized by the Catholic church for recitation in the Mass?
What Christmas Mass is valid, if no creed is recited because the priest publicly rejects them during his grandstanding sermon?
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