Posted on 12/30/2017 4:18:26 AM PST by JosephJames
Everybody needs Christ. Those who died before Jesus’ Crucifixion never got to Heaven until His death, including Adam and Eve.
You (or is it your master Rood) are in error. Jesus was not referring to the Rapture of believers when He spoke to Nicodemus as cited in John 3. That you cannot grasp that is emblematic of a cult follower steeped in Roodian religion.
So, why was the Law given through Moses? Could Hebrews earn eternal life by being absolute law abiders, never breaking the laws?
Yes.
What about you? Do you think they all went to Hell?
So you believe one can earn eternal life?
What kind of question is that?
Strike three.
You just said in post 344 that *Yes* if someone kept the law perfectly they would go to heaven.
That IS earning your way to heaven.
Your problem is that in the Beatitudes, Jesus showed the INTENT of the Law. He set the bar even higher in dealing with the issues of one's heart, not just their outward actions.
Paul was blameless in regard to the law, and yet, he was not saved.
Philippians 3:2-15 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord.
For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Law keeping contributes NOTHING towards salvation.
It doesn't cancel out or erase the wrongs already done that need to be accounted for. If all you sinned in your life was ONE sin, it would still be enough to condemn you and require blood atonement.
The Law cannot give what it demands.
Nope. The question, in post #343, was "could" they, not "would" they.
Three stupid questions in row. Talk amongst yourselves from now on.
Better shake the dust off you ur feet ebb! Clearly, it’s time.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” Be we have the mind of Christ.
So lets go further: you assert that the Hebrew could go to Heaven by earning the passage thereto; since not a single one but Jesus fulfilled the laws without breaking them, why did GOD put the blood atonement sacrifice into the Temple process so long BEFORE Jesus was born and died upon the Cross?
Ebb, the entire lesson is believing God’s provision to forgive. Believing is faithing, faithing on God’s Promise to cleanse from ALL unrighteousness. Not in payment for works striving to follow the laws, Faithing. By God forgiving you and me for faithng in His provision, it is Jesus Who is due the glory. When anyone tries to add striving, they insult the glory due ONLY to Jesus.
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John 3 is completely about changing us from biological flesh to a spiritual body. Makes us able to move invisibly like the wind.
There is no rapture; the change puts us in the realm of Yehova in a twinkling of an eye!
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>> “I truly believe we have less than 7 years before all the prophecies of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be fulfilled” <<
I agree fully!
Day of Trumpets, 2024!
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Your ROODian blindness is showing ...
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The word of Yehova prevails over dispy nonsense!
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Your misuse of John 3 is the nonsense on display. Jesus reveals the Truth that you must be born again in this life, born by the power of the Holy Spirit, in this life, and you skip over that with glib Roodian misdirection. you must be born again, in this life, else ... Well, even you can understand what awaits you if you are not.
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You cannot be “born again in this life!”
Being “born Again” means being changed from a biologically created being to a specially created “Son of Yehova.”
The view you present is what Jeremiah calls an “inherited lie wherein there is no profit.”
John 3 is all about explaining this to an educated servent of the most high, Nicodemus.
Break free unto the truth!
We must endure in the one and only covenant, to the end.
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It is also telling that you are trusting your efforts to earn eternal life ('endure until the end'?). Paul told you to hold fast to the faith which delivered you, but you want to earn something for your striving, just as Catholics are also taught that they must earn by faithfully following the sacraments established by that religion, catholiciism. Again, you do not discern the spiritual truths Paul has given to us from The Most High God.
In an active voice, Paul wrote it is by faith that we ARE saved, not of works. And in 1thess1:10 he tells them that it is Jesus Who HAS delivered them/us from the wrath to come. Rood has you comepletely in his grasp ... and you will share his fate if you do not wake up to the Gospel of The Grace of God in Christ.
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