Posted on 11/28/2017 9:52:19 AM PST by tired&retired
In reading the biography of St Thomas More who stood by the church and was beheaded by King Henry VIII when More would not approve his divorce,and was beheaded, I can't help but see the similarities with Roy Moore who is running for Senator in Alabama.
The obvious, Moore and More names
Both were very religious
Both were excellent attorneys
Both became politicians
Both elected to the House of Parliament (Senate by the Grace of God)
Both put their religion and God before politics
Both were persecuted for holding to religious principles
Both were authors
Both were in law enforcement and went to the court system
Both were Judges
It is my prayer that the final outcome of being a martyr does not become a similarity.
Thomas More served as an important counselor to King Henry VIII of England, serving as his key counselor in the early 1500s, but after he refused to accept the king as head of the Church of England, he was tried for treason and beheaded (he died in London, England, in 1535).
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Around 1494, his father, a prominent attorney, brought More back to London to study common law. And in February 1496, More was admitted to Lincoln's Inn, one of England's four legal societies, to prepare for admission to the bar, and in 1501 he became a full member of the profession. More managed to keep up with his literary and spiritual interests while practicing law, and he read devotedly from both Holy Scripture and the classics.
More was, meanwhile, torn between a life of civil service and a monastic calling, and he made the decision to work toward becoming a monk. To that end, in 1503, he moved to a monastery outside the London city limits and subjected himself to the discipline of the Carthusians, taking part of the monastic life as much as his legal career would allow. The prayer, fasting and partaking in penance would stay with him for the rest of his life (as would the practice of wearing a hair shirt), but his sense of duty to serve his country overcame his desire for monasticism, and he entered Parliament in 1504. He also was married for the first time around this time, either in 1504 or early the following year.
In 1501 he was elected a member of Parliament. Here he immediately began to oppose the large and unjust exactions of money which King Henry VII was making from his subjects through the agency of Empson and Dudley, the latter being Speaker of the House of Commons.
In 1519 More resigned his post as Under-Sheriff and became completely attached to the Court.
In October, 1529, More succeeded Wolsey as Chancellor of England, a post never before held by a layman. In matters political, however, he is nowise succeeded to Wolsey's position, and his tenure of the chancellorship is chiefly memorable for his unparalleled success as a judge. His despatch was so great that the supply of causes was actually exhausted, an incident commemorated in the well-known rhyme,
When More some time had Chancellor been No more suits did remain. The like will never more be seen, Till More be there again.
More's fate would begin to turn when, in the summer of 1527, King Henry tried to use the Bible to prove to More that Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon, who had failed to produce a male heir, was void. More tried to share the king's viewpoint, but it was in vain, and More could not sign off on Henry's plan for divorce.
In April 1534, the final straw came when More refused to swear to Henry's Act of Succession and the Oath of Supremacy of the Church. This amounted to More essentially refusing to accept the king as head of the Church of England, which More believed would disparage the power of the pope. More was sent to the Tower of London on April 17, 1534, and was found guilty of treason.
Thomas More was beheaded on July 6, 1535. He left behind the final words: "The king's good servant, but God's first."
One difference: Thomas More refused to recognize divorce and Roy Moore married a divorced woman.
A Man for All Seasons! Great movie.
And their philosophy on military..
For Moore, the commandments are key.. Thou shall not Kill.
On a different yet same note
Prince Charles was thirty when he started dating his future wife Diana Spencer then 18
Judge More never had anyone burned at the stake for his beliefs. That’s quite a big difference.
What about the Sixth Commandment - Thou shall not commit adultery?
Excuse me, Judge Moore, not More.
“A Man for All Seasons! Great movie.”
I never saw it so I just ordered the DVD.
Which is better, the old one from 1966 or the newer one with Charlton Heston (Actor, Director), & Vanessa Redgrave ?
One of the all-time best.
The martyrs in the Protestant/Evangelical world are different. Roy surely won’t literally die over a pope.
Original. Paul Scofield is absolutely fantastic in it. As are Leo McKern and Robert Shaw.
Old one!!
Gosh - Jesus wouldn’t be able to please some of you nutcases....
Ummmmm - the literal interpretation is “Thou shalt not murder.....”
It reflects the different bible readings of the Catholic and Protestant/Evangelical houses.
There is a “loose biblical view” acknowledged in part of the latter that says that if the spouse has cheated sexually, he or she is permitted to be divorced. Or if an unbelieving spouse wishes to leave a believing one, this spouse may permissibly leave. But neither one is considered an ideal situation, and serious overtures should be made to bring reconciliation even in these cases. Maybe such a split is where Roy’s wife was. In all the brouhaha over the (fishy) allegations of seriously indecent shenanigans on Roy’s part, nobody’s even mentioned this.
Serious Catholics aren’t going to be happy about this and we crazy evangelicals know that and we don’t try to make them happy. We try to do things the way the bible says the Lord wants.
This all said, where would Moore possibly fall on his sword? Would it be over something like abortion? I don’t know.
Gosh - Jesus wouldn’t be able to please some of you nutcases....
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I believe Jesus was pretty clear about divorce and when one commits adultery.
(Another faction of the Bible the Protestants took out, because it made them feel bad.)
Some dismiss the Matthew version of His comment as a scribal gloss, but others respect it as an accurate, fuller version of His comment.
The accusation you laid might well come home to you.
Or, how many of the oh-so-pious would actually marry their brother's wife if she was a real piece of work because they think the Bible demands it?
Jesus was pretty specific in Mark 10.
This all said, where would Moore possibly fall on his sword? Would it be over something like abortion? I don’t know.
Moore pretty much seems to be a social warrior and I expect that's where his priorities will lie once he's in the Senate.
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