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1 posted on 11/27/2017 8:37:19 AM PST by Salvation
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Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 11/27/2017 8:38:36 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Catholics are often unaware just how biblical the Sacred Liturgy is.

Unfortunately, incorporating Biblical sections into the liturgy doesn't make it Biblical for the Church.

The design of our traditional churches;

Not Biblical.

the use of candles, incense, and golden vessels;

Never Biblical for a NT Church. This is a failure of hermeneutics. The whole of the Bible is for a Christian's instruction, but not about him nor his church.

the altar;

No alter ever in a NT church. None needed. No sacrifice is made. It is finished.

priests wearing albs and so forth are all depicted in the Scriptures.

Never, ever, for a NT church. Priests are not a NT church office, nor do they appear before 100 AD, during the lives of the Apostles. It is made up using paganism in a later age.

Some of these details were features of the ancient Jewish Temple, but most are reiterated in the Book of Revelation, which describes the liturgy of Heaven.

The church is not the Jewish Temple. The worship in heaven is not the church on earth.

Arch-pope is far from biblical, as is typical for these posts.

4 posted on 11/27/2017 8:43:52 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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Every sentence of the Mass comes from the Bible.

5.56mm


5 posted on 11/27/2017 8:44:52 AM PST by M Kehoe
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Ooh. This ought to rub the AntiCatholics here the wrong way.

Wait for it 3-2-1


6 posted on 11/27/2017 8:55:40 AM PST by stanne
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But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do:
for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


Matthew 6:7

~Jesus

7 posted on 11/27/2017 8:59:56 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Please see my profile to find out why the Birmingham News is trying to destroy Judge Roy Moore)
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How Christ said the First Mass

Written in 1906. This guy took all the elements of what is the Catholic Mass and ran each symbol back to the Old Testament.

His point is that the Mass is the fulfillment of Scripture.

28 posted on 11/27/2017 9:36:02 AM PST by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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Using "Ecumenical" instead of "Open" would be generally preferable, but then there'd be much less empirical evidence of what the Religion Moderator profile says in what I've quoted as my tagline.
61 posted on 11/27/2017 11:31:19 AM PST by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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66 posted on 11/27/2017 12:02:45 PM PST by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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In Masses for the Dead, the following may be added: Remember your servant N., whom you have called (today) from this world to yourself. Grant that he (she) who was united with your Son in a death like his, may also be one with him in his Resurrection. ____________________

Remember also our brothers and sisters who have fallen asleep in the hope of the resurrection, and all who have died in your mercy: welcome them into the light of your face. Have mercy on us all, we pray, that with the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, with the blessed Apostles, and all the Saints who have pleased you throughout the ages, we may merit to be coheirs to eternal life, and may praise and glorify you He joins his hands. through your Son, Jesus Christ.

http://www.catholicbishops.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Order-of-Mass.pdf

Praying for the dead is not supported in the New Testament.

And again, with Roman catholicism, it all has to work through Mary and works.

We cannot "merit" enough works to work our way into Heaven. We can only believe to gain Heaven. The NT is clear on that.

May he make of us an eternal offering to you, so that we may obtain an inheritance with your elect, especially with the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, with your blessed Apostles and glorious Martyrs (with Saint N.: the Saint of the day or Patron Saint) and with all the Saints, on whose constant intercession in your presence we rely for unfailing help.

No where in the NT are we told to hope for an inheritance with Mary, etc, nor do we rely upon her for salvation.

We do have the Holy Spirit making intercession for us.

A lot of truth mixed with enough false teaching that sounds good...but still remains false teaching.

This is why Christians reject Roman Catholicism. There is a difference.

71 posted on 11/27/2017 12:17:56 PM PST by ealgeone
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