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Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 11/27/2017 8:38:36 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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A great book to read, A Biblical Walk through the Mass by Edward Sri:


3 posted on 11/27/2017 8:43:24 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Thanks for these, Salvation!

It’s really helpful to have solid Catholic teaching in one easy spot. I really appreciate your efforts!


57 posted on 11/27/2017 10:50:04 AM PST by Mudflaps
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The liturgy here on earth is modeled after the liturgy in Heaven;

Shame on him. He must know better than that just because something is in Scripture does not make it part of a liturgy, or make it Biblical to be part of a church service.

The design of our traditional churches; the use of candles, incense, and golden vessels; the postures of standing and kneeling; the altar; the singing of hymns; priests wearing albs and so forth are all depicted in the Scriptures.

And such in paganism also, as Newman affirms,

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin , and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.." {374} "The introduction of Images was still later, and met with more opposition in the West than in the East." (John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, Chapter 8. Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power; http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter8.html

Candles – Rev 1:12-13 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man.

Just where is this a set liturgy in Rv. 1? There is not even any singing, but a vision of the Lord (and not as a wafer) and His speaking.

Rev 4:6 Seven flaming torches burned in front of the throne.

This is a different scene, after "Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." (Revelation 4:1)

All for now.

95 posted on 11/27/2017 3:39:27 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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The one and true Catholic church of Jesus Christ, with “the rock” in charge.


146 posted on 11/27/2017 5:58:12 PM PST by Coleus (For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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