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Francis denigrates soldiers, referring to us as "warmongers."
La Salette Journey ^ | November 2, 2017 | Paul Anthonly Melanson

Posted on 11/03/2017 11:44:30 AM PDT by ebb tide

Francis denigrates soldiers, referring to us as "warmongers."

Francis is now denigrating soldiers as "warmongers."  See here.

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis celebrated the Feast of All Souls Day on Thursday commemorating all those who have died in war, reminding humanity not to forget past lessons and warning that the only fruit yielded by conflict is death.

His words of warning and his powerful condemnation of warmongers came during his homily at the Sicily-Rome American War Cemetery some 50 kilometers south of Rome.

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The Catechism of the Catholic Church (2310), explains that, "Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces (the people Francis refers to as "warmongers") are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace." 

The Lord God has commanded us, "You shall not kill." There are nine words in Hebrew for taking a life. The word used in Exodus 20: 13 for "Thou shalt not kill" is ratsach, a strong verb used to indicate an intentional and unjustified act of murder, such as the murder of innocent unborn. It does not refer to killing in war ( unless such killing is directed against civilian non-combatants or prisoners of war).  It is therefore disgusting for Francis to suggest that all soldiers who kill in combat are engaged in "evil," and are "warmongers."

The French preacher Lacordaire once said that the vocation of a soldier is next in dignity to the priesthood, not only because it commissioned him to defend justice on the field of battle and order on the field of peace, but also because it called him to the spirit and intention of sacrifice.

It is the soldier's high calling to the defense of justice and freedom which makes him (or should) so loved.  It was a soldier who first spoke the words recalled by the Church during every Mass at Holy Communion: "Lord, I am not worthy to have Thee come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed." (Mt 8:8).

The Breviary, which priests pray daily, praises Judas Machabeus, who refused to surrender to superior enemy forces and died saying: "Far be it from us to do such a thing as to flee from them.  If our time has come, let us die bravely for our brethren, and leave no cause to question our honor." (1 Macc 9: 10).

One soldier who served his country selflessly for twenty years was Camille "Joe" Melanson, my father, a non-commissioned officer who served in two wars - the Korean and Vietnam conflicts.  See here: http://www.leominsterhigh.com/lhs-military00.htm

Our family has a long tradition of military service.  I served with military intelligence and was marked for death by the NPA in the Philippines.  My uncle Arthur was lost over the Pacific during World War II.  His body was never recovered.

Warmongers?  Those who have served this country (and other countries) in the defense of freedom deserve better than to be denigrated in such a fashion.

Francis owes us an apology.  He has benefited from our sacrifices.  And this is what he thinks of us?


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Psalms 55:21 tells us that war is in the hearts of unrepentant sinners.

Also consider that Matthew 8:5-10 shows us that Jesus commended the centurion for his great faith.

Romans 13:1-5, which tells us that G-d is in control, and speaks of the power of the sword, also applies imo.


21 posted on 11/03/2017 12:59:55 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Egon
Did you dig deep enough to see that Francis said this while visiting the Nettuno US War Cemetery? Another obvious dig at the U.S.

Do you think Christian soldiers defending their countries should be denied weapons in their battles?

Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves Christian

22 posted on 11/03/2017 1:09:07 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Did you dig deep enough to see that Francis said this while visiting the Nettuno US War Cemetery? Another obvious dig at the U.S.

I did.

Do you think Christian soldiers defending their countries should be denied weapons in their battles?

I don't.

23 posted on 11/03/2017 1:11:51 PM PDT by Egon
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To: Egon
I don't.

So why are are defending an anti-American peacenik who turns a solemn day in the Church calendar into a political statement?

24 posted on 11/03/2017 1:16:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Egon; MDLION
Pope Francis might jettison idea of a ‘just war’
25 posted on 11/03/2017 1:32:43 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
I read the original article at .va carefully, twice, and could not find any passage where Pope Francis singled out any person, group of people, movement, nation, or gropu of nations as plotters of war. (Though ISIS and the Norks readily come to mind.) I also didn't find any instance of him using the word "warmongers."

I figure I have normal reading comprehension, and I didn't see it.

Could you ---or anybody --- find me the money quote?

26 posted on 11/03/2017 1:37:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Did you read the linked article?

Taking the occasion to reiterate his deep conviction that “wars produce nothing more than cemeteries and death” the Pope said he chose to visit a war cemetery as a sign “in a moment when our humanity seems not to have learned the lesson, or doesn't want to learn it.”

27 posted on 11/03/2017 1:54:08 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Could you ---or anybody --- find me the money quote?"

I'm not seeing it either. This Pope has had his share of malapropisms, but until someone produces a direct quote from him in context, I call knee-jerk BS on this thread.

28 posted on 11/03/2017 2:15:02 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: ebb tide

Tear down your wall.


29 posted on 11/03/2017 2:16:02 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: fidelis; Mrs. Don-o

Do either of you two believe in the Catholic just war theory?


30 posted on 11/03/2017 2:25:16 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

RE: The Lord God has commanded us, “You shall not kill.” There are nine words in Hebrew for taking a life. The word used in Exodus 20: 13 for “Thou shalt not kill” is ratsach, a strong verb used to indicate an intentional and unjustified act of murder

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How does he reconcile this with the command of God to the Israelites to slaughter the Canaanites? ( Joshua 10:40, 11:15)

The key word is UNJUSTIFIED, and therein lies the argument.

When is killing justified for him?

Is the killing of ISIS militants justified or not?


31 posted on 11/03/2017 2:29:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ebb tide

I do.


32 posted on 11/03/2017 2:34:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
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To: ebb tide

OK. Did he say soldiers are all, per se, warmongers?


33 posted on 11/03/2017 2:35:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o
"Do either of you two believe in the Catholic just war theory?"

What does that have to do with posting an article falsely attributing a quote to the Pope?

34 posted on 11/03/2017 2:40:33 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t know. And why would he say “all” soldiers.

But he has said weapon manufacturers who supply weapons to just soldiers are “warmongers”.


35 posted on 11/03/2017 2:41:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: fidelis; Mrs. Don-o
Read the linked article within the post and listen to the audo.

...he stated during his homily – that the only fruit of war is death.

Just wars do have fruits. Just look at the U.S. and Europe after WW II.

Look at Europe after the Battle of Lepanto.

36 posted on 11/03/2017 2:50:19 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o
"But he has said weapon manufacturers who supply weapons to just soldiers are “warmongers”."

OK, since you couldn't find a direct quote from Francis on the other statement, maybe you can provide one for this? I can't find one either.

37 posted on 11/03/2017 2:54:46 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: ebb tide

That is what he said.

He didn’t say soldiers are warmongers.


38 posted on 11/03/2017 2:55:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (There are more things in heaven & on earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. - Hamlet)
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To: sparklite2; seawolf101
They’re ceremonial, he’d say. Like tradition, ya know?

I do not think so!


39 posted on 11/03/2017 2:59:44 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen (I stand for the flag...I kneel at the cross)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

No, HE’D say that, not me.


40 posted on 11/03/2017 3:04:06 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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