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Creedal Differences
OSV.com ^ | 09-01-17 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/07/2017 6:10:18 AM PDT by Salvation

Creedal Differences

Q: Why is the phrase “He descended into hell” in the Apostles’ Creed but not in the Creed that we pray at Mass?

John, via email

A: A creed is not a catechism and hence we should not expect that every possible truth is set forth in them. Creeds were a feature, primarily, of the early Church and generally were written to clarify Catholic teaching and refute errors of the time.

Most of the disputes at the time the Nicene Creed was written centered on the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, the truth of the Incarnation and, to some degree, matters related to the Church and eschatology (the theology of the last things).

The Apostles’ Creed is older than the Nicene Creed. The doctrine of the death and bodily resurrection of Jesus was disputed by some of the earliest heretics and this is mentioned by St. Paul (see, for example, 1 Cor 15:12). St. John, too, was confronting early forms of Gnosticism and Docetism which denied or doubted the true, physical humanity of Christ, and implicitly that he actually suffered, died and rose (1 Jn 4:1-4). The heresies contended that Christ only “seemed” to do this.

Thus an early creed like the Apostles’ Creed placed emphasis on the actual death of Christ by reminding us that Christ not only died but actually went down among the dead to sheol (also called hades, hell or the limbo of the fathers; see 1 Pt 3:19). As such, Jesus did not merely appear to die; He did in fact die in terms of His human body and went among the dead and preached to them.

In later times, when the Nicene Creed was written, the bodily death of Jesus was less disputed and it was likely deemed necessary to focus on more currently disputed topics as stated above.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; creeds
Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed.
1 posted on 10/07/2017 6:10:18 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope’s OSV column Ping!


2 posted on 10/07/2017 6:11:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The “Apostles’ Creed” is from the Baptismal liturgy of +Hippolytus of Rome, late 3rd Century. The candidates were asked “Do you believe in God the Father...Jesus the Son of God...God the Holy Spirit” to which they answered with the appropriate section.

The Nicene Creed is 4th Century, written as a refutation of the Arian heresy which denied that Christ is eternal and uncreated, hence its strong Christological emphasis.


3 posted on 10/07/2017 8:49:46 AM PDT by lightman (ANTIFA is full of Bolshevik.)
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To: lightman

Thanks for that explanation. Fascinating!


4 posted on 10/07/2017 9:01:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Gimme that Old Time Religion... It was good enough for Athanasius, and it's good enough for me.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The was a resurgence of interest in this historic church orders by scholars in the liturgical Protestant communities in the 1970’s.

The Hippolytan Baptismal forumala (and Eucharistic Anaphora) were used virtually verbatim in both the 1978 Lutheran Book of Worship and its fraternal twin the 1979 Episcopal Book of Common Prayer.


5 posted on 10/07/2017 9:08:48 AM PDT by lightman (ANTIFA is full of Bolshevik.)
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To: Salvation

In before the disruptors.


6 posted on 10/07/2017 10:24:12 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (https://imgoat.com/uploads/645920e395/39513.gif)
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To: lightman

Didn’t know that. Beautiful.


7 posted on 10/07/2017 10:45:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God is glorified when His holy ones are praised.)
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To: Salvation

There is a third creed that is dedicated to the Most Holy Trinity.


8 posted on 10/07/2017 12:27:10 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl

Doesn’t the Nicene Creed cover the Trinity?


9 posted on 10/07/2017 7:52:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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