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Bishop, “Homosexuality, if it is not a choice ..., it is a gift given by God.”[Catholic Caucus]
Call me Jorge ... ^
| August 4, 2017
| hereisjorgebergoglio
Posted on 08/05/2017 7:00:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
Bishop Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos, Homosexuality, if it is not a choice and not a disease, it is a gift given by God.
Our prejudices can not perceive the gift of God, just as it happened to the blacks, who were not seen as people because of prejudice.
Bishop Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos on homosexuality
Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos, the Bishop of Caicó, Brazil.
Bishop Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos, just the other day gave a homily about homosexuality. He begins it by lamenting the high suicide rate among homosexuals and proceeds to tell the sad story of a homosexual who blames himself for his mothers death. This anonymous homosexual revealed to his parents his sinful proclivity and shortly thereafter his mother was diagnosed with cancer from which she died. Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos makes the allusion that she had been brainwashed by society to reject homosexuality and if she had accepted her sons homosexuality that she would still be alive. He then goes on to say, the gospel demands love no matter the persons behavior and the door is always open, God never close the door to anyone. He continues stating that we need to take a leap in Gospel wisdom to overcome ... prejudices against our homosexual brothers. And now we get to the heart of of homily:
From the perspective of faith when you look at homosexuality, you cant say its a choice. Choice is one thing that you freely choose and no one chooses orientation. One day the person finds out with this or that orientation. Choice will be the way you will live your orientation. Whether in a dignified, ethical, or in a promiscuous way. But promiscuity can be lived in any of the orientations one has. So since it is not choice, since it is not an option, since the World Health Organization, since the 90s no longer considers it as an illness, from the perspective of faith, we have only one answer. If it is not a choice, if it is not an illness, from the perspective of faith, it can only be a gift. It is given by God. This is a gift: it is given by God. Theres no other way! If it is not a choice, if it is not a disease, it is a gift, it is given by God.
Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos ends his homily with the example of Francis quoting him If a person is homosexual and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge? And follows that up with the command Francis gave, Dont marginalize them but integrate them into [the Church] and how mercy is the most important thing in the church
the catechism teaches this. Lastly, he retells the story of Francis private audience with
Neria Diego Lejárraga (a female who believes she is a man) and her fiance.
In conclusion, Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos misrepresents the teachings of the Church through its catechism and Bible concerning one of the four
Sins which cry out to Heaven for vengeance. Its enough to make us at
Call Me Jorge... wonder if he is of the homosexual inclination himself. Anyway you slice it, Antônio Carlos Cruz Santos is just preaching what his boss, Francis, believes and it isnt Catholic!
For more on Francis and homosexuality:
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: brazil; francischurch; gay; homos; homosexuality; sin
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To: ebb tide
The Archbishop needs to read and believe his Catechism.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:03:54 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: ebb tide
Meth addiction is a gift from god.
Pedophilia is a gift from god.
Serial killer is a gift from god.
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:08:06 PM PDT
by
for-q-clinton
(If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
To: ebb tide
How is it the devil has been so successful? And then this bishop perpetuates the confusion.
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:08:32 PM PDT
by
mlizzy
(America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
To: ebb tide
Male sperm addiction among those who seek no treatment = homosexuality.
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:16:39 PM PDT
by
Eddie01
To: ebb tide
So he has thrown out Romans Chapter 1. Reprobate mind?
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:16:54 PM PDT
by
Fred Hayek
(The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
To: GodAndCountryFirst
Actually, the attraction to same sex persons is not usually chosen, but imposed by abuse, or bad parenting or many other stimuli in the world.
What is a choice is whether you act on the attraction. If you choose to act,that is sin.
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:21:03 PM PDT
by
amihow
To: ebb tide
homosexuality is a choice....you can choose to belong to the mass of people in society, conforming, or you can do what the hell you want, but don't expect to ever "fit" in....
we all have burdens...some have terrible burdens....
terrible crosses to bear....
and let's not even think about biology....the survival of the fittest means THOSE WHO CAN PRODUCE OFFSPRING....the sexual urge is nothing more than a means to an end for a species to continue...
so I love my relatives that proclaim to be homosexual....both sides of our families....
but I know that they are more apt to have disease, suicidal thoughts and actions, domestic violence in their lives, drug abuse and alcohol abuse...
so am I suppose to be happy about their choices?.....
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:23:45 PM PDT
by
cherry
To: ebb tide
Probably another reason why Al Gore says he could join the Catholic Church headed by Pope Francis....along with Francis agreeing with Algore on human created glowbull warming.
How I long for Pope Benedict XVI.
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:26:34 PM PDT
by
GreyFriar
(Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
To: exit82
>How long has the Bishop been gay, I wonder?
Sin is never a gift from God.<
Ah, the gift of faggotry
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To: ebb tide
Is a bad leg or blindness also a “gift of God”? I recall Jesus working miracles to cure the ill and lame.
And for the record there has been at least one lesbian couple who conspired to conceive a child that was deaf (by deliberate choice of theirs).
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posted on
08/05/2017 8:57:04 PM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(Bill Clinton and Al Gore took illegal campaign contributions from the Chi-Coms and 'nobody' cared..)
To: smokingfrog
Let’s legitimize them all and then we’ll have no need for preachers. They are talking themselves out of a job imo.
To: BackRoads775
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posted on
08/05/2017 10:16:17 PM PDT
by
ChildOfThe60s
("If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there")
To: ebb tide
People like this piece of crap make me not want to go to church on Sundays.
Now when I have a hangover, I just pass.
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posted on
08/06/2017 2:24:17 AM PDT
by
mindburglar
(I'm sorry, can you spell that?)
To: madison10
That is evil out right. Are they not using the Bible any longer? Probably use it as much as those who think ALL homosexuals are that way by choice and that folks who have remarried must be denied communion with God.....
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posted on
08/06/2017 3:42:12 AM PDT
by
trebb
(Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
To: ebb tide
Adultery, if it is not a choice and not a disease, it is a gift given by God.
Stealing, if it is not a choice and not a disease, it is a gift given by God.
Murder, if it is not a choice and not a disease, it is a gift given by God.
None of those make any more sense. God gives us unhealthy temptations, not always the same temptations, but we all have one or more weaknesses. We have a choice whether we give in to those desires or not. I choose to the best of my limited ability to follow God’s Word over my urges.
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posted on
08/06/2017 4:35:55 AM PDT
by
Pollster1
("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
To: ebb tide
Does the Catholic Church use the Bible anymore
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posted on
08/06/2017 4:53:16 AM PDT
by
okie 54
To: ebb tide
Does the Catholic Church use the Bible anymore
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posted on
08/06/2017 4:54:25 AM PDT
by
okie 54
To: boop
There are bad humans in every church. If you leave because of this you’ll have to do as the protestants and start your own! That solution hasn’t worked out so well, either.
To: ebb tide
Pope Francis started this with “Who am I to judge”. He knew what he had started when he said it. It was deliberate!
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