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Next Stage in the Bergoglian Debacle: Gay Church Comes Out
Remnant Newspaper ^ | July 29, 2017 | Christopher A. Ferrara

Posted on 07/30/2017 10:36:58 AM PDT by ebb tide

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Joseph Tobin Pumping iron and welcoming “gay couples” to his cathedral

A Bergoglian cardinal for the new Gay Church

Introduction

As I have noted on these pages more than once, the essential novelty of the Bergoglian pontificate, even in the midst of the turbulent sea of novelty that is the post-conciliar epoch, is its carefully planned and relentlessly executed assault on the Sixth Commandment under the guise of “accompanying and “integrating” public sinners involved in “second marriages” and other “irregular unions” through a vague process of “discernment” of their “concrete situations.”  In other words, a form of situation ethics in matters sexual. This development is simply apocalyptic. There is no other word for what we are witnessing.


From the beginning, this assault was also aimed at mainstreaming the habitual practitioners of sodomy and their “homosexual unions.” We must not forget that it was Bergoglio who got the homo-ball rolling by approving and ordering the publication of a document falsely presented to the world as the midterm relatio of the Synod Fathers in 2014, when they had not even seen it and later resoundingly rejected it.  Therein we read:

Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?

The creation of a “welcoming home” for homosexuals qua homosexuals would have to include recognition of their diabolical mockery of marriage.  Hence the same document declares that while “same-sex unions cannot be equated with marriage between men and women…. there are cases in which reciprocal support to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support for the life of the partners.” 

It was Bergoglio who insisted that this abominable text be included in the proceedings of Synod 2015, as if the Fathers had adopted it, despite their rejection of “the most shocking document in the history of Rome,” whose fraudulent publication as “their” report helped spark an open rebellion against Bergoglio’s ham-handed manipulation of the synodal proceedings.   (Note: the English, French and Spanish translations of the original Italian document appear to have been purged from the Vatican website; only the Italian and Portuguese versions remain.)

Consider the following indications of where Pope Bergoglio stands respecting the conquering march of militant homosexualism in Church and State:

 Now, with Bergoglio’s heavy hand on the tiller of the Barque of Peter, which he is yanking ever more violently to the left, the homosexuals who infest the Church at every level in the midst of the Church’s worst crisis in 2,000 years are “coming out” everywhere, often with Bergoglio’s direct assistance.

A Growing Cast of “Gay Church” Promoters and Enablers

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LGBT-mainstreamer James Martin, SJ
The photo speaks for itself

The annoyingly prissy Father James Martin, who likes to say “What the hell!” a lot, is a relentless promoter of the “gay” priesthood and “gay” marriage. He has not only escaped all ecclesiastical sanction for his subversion of the Church’s infallible moral teaching, but Bergoglio has made him a consultant to the Vatican’s Secretariat for Social Communications.  Evidently, Bergoglio’s Vatican embraces his pro-homosexual activism, including a book on “building a bridge” between the Church and the imaginary “LGBT community” wherein Martin simply rejects the Church’s teaching, affirmed even in the “updated” Catechism of John Paul II, that the homosexual condition is intrinsically disordered (Martin would prefer to call it “differently ordered”), that homosexual acts are gravely depraved, and that sodomy is a sin.

Martin assiduously promotes the notion that God has “created” homosexuals and “transgenders” as such, which can only mean that He has positively endowed them with intrinsic disorders inclining them to acts of grave depravity.

In a video defending his book, Martin recites the Church’s teaching on the intrinsic immorality of sodomy and then promptly dismisses it as not having been “received” by the “LGBT community.”  The rest of the video, featuring images of happy “gays” in their happy “gay” relationships, argues for the mainstreaming of the “LGBT community” in the Church.

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Walter Kasper: from washed-up Modernist to head
theologian of the Bergoglian Age of Mercy. Peace out!

Cardinal Walter Kasper, Bergoglio’s favorite theologian whose Modernist notion of “mercy” has animated the entire Bergoglian program of moral insurrection, defended Ireland’s legalization of “gay marriage” in 2015: “A democratic state has the duty to respect the will of the people; and it seems clear that, if the majority of the people wants such homosexual unions, the state has a duty to recognize such rights.”

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Reinhard Marx: Pro-“gay” icon of a wealthy,
bloated and corrupt German hierarchy

Cardinal Reinhard Marx, who informed the world press that Bergoglio expressed “joy” over the German bishops’ authorization of Holy Communion for adulterers pursuant to Amoris Laetitia, sees no problem with the recent legalization of “gay marriage” in Germany.  The real problem, says he, is that “the Church has not exactly been a trailblazer as far as the rights of homosexuals are concerned.”  Concerning “gay marriage” Marx declared: “The Christian position is one thing. It’s another thing to ask if I can make all the Christian moral concepts laws. Whoever fails to understand that the one does not automatically lead to the other, has not understood the essence of modern society.”

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Christoph Schönborn:
“Official” interpreter of Amoris Laetitia and faux conservative
point man on mainstreaming  “gay marriage” and “gay adoption.”

Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, whom Francis has called a “great theologian” under the embarrassingly mistaken impression that “he was Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,” is leading the way to the Church’s acceptance of “gay marriage,” “gay adoption” and “LGBT families.”

As Life Site News reported, in a 2015 interview in La Civiltà Cattolica, whose contents are vetted by Bergoglio’s Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Parolin, Schönborn declared: “We can and we must respect the decision to form a union with a person of the same sex, [and] to seek means under civil law to protect their living together with laws to ensure such protection.”  Bergoglio has designated Schönborn his trusted “interpreter” of AL.

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Cardinal Schönborn’s glowing tribute to the happy and
oh-so-normal “LGBT family”

Schönborn’s own cathedral in Vienna has published a pamphlet on AL that features a beaming “gay couple” and the adopted child they have brutalized by depriving him of a mother and father. The accompanying text, written by one of the child’s “two daddies,” boasts of their “Rainbow family, modern family, unconventional family… there are many titles for our fine nest of sanctuary. But we are not so special, we, that is: daddy Bernd, Papi Georg, and son Siya…” As Life Site News reports, “Daddy and Papi” plan to inflict themselves on another innocent victim of “gay adoption”: a three-year-old girl from Johannesburg, South Africa.

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Archbishop Vincenzio Paglia:
Complete with “gay” sunglasses, h
e had himself
painted into a homoerotic mural in his cathedral


Pope Bergoglio has made this notoriously “pro-gay” prelate head of the Pontifical Academy for Life as well as Grand Chancellor of the Pontifical Pope John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family. Bergoglio has neutralized both of these Vatican institutions by sacking their previous members, appointing (among others) pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia members, whose appointment Paglia defends, and rewriting the mission statements and statutes.  As Life Site News notes, Bergoglio’s installation of Paglia as head of the two institutions is part of “an apparent overhaul … in favor of a departure from fidelity to Catholic teaching on life.”

Paglia “paid a homosexual artist to paint a blasphemous homoerotic mural in his cathedral church in 2007. The mural includes an image of the archbishop himself.”

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Blase Cupich, slick-talking promoter of Holy Communion
for practitioners of sodomy

Cardinal Blase Cupich, a key Bergoglian LGBT-mainstreamer, promptly announced a path to the reception of Holy Communion by “gay couples” upon his installation as Archbishop of Chicago.  Based on their “inviolable” conscience, they would be able join at the Communion rail (or on the Novus Ordo bread line) the public adulterers in “second marriages” that Cupich is accommodating while they “discern what the will of God is.” 

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Bergoglio and Cupich: Lots of yuks as Gay Church rises

As Cupich stated during a press conference at the Vatican Press Office: “I think that gay people are human beings too and they have a conscience.” The new Bergoglian gnosis of “discernment,” he said, is “for everybody. I think that we have to make sure that we don’t pigeonhole one group as though they are not part of the human family, as though there’s a different set of rules for them. That would be a big mistake.” In other words, “gay couples” habitually engaging in sodomy are just as entitled as heterosexual adulterers to receive Holy Communion while “discerning” whether to cease committing sodomy—a decision entirely up to them, however.

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Timothy Dolan:
Guffawing his way through the rise of Gay Church

When the failed pro football player Michael Sam “came out” as a homosexual in 2014, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, whose New York Archdiocese is thoroughly infested with homosexual priests, declared on national television: “Good for him. I would have no sense of judgment on him. God bless ya…. [T]he same Bible that tells us, that teaches us well about the virtues of chastity and the virtue of fidelity and marriage also tells us not to judge people. So I would say, ‘Bravo.’” Dolan infamously served as Grand Marshall of the 2015 Saint Patrick’s Day Parade despite its inclusion of a “Gay Pride” contingent, replete with “Gay Pride” banner.

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Joseph Tobin, friend of the “LGBT community”
Always with the big grins, these people

Cardinal Joseph Tobin, made a cardinal by Bergoglio and placed at the head of the Archdiocese of Newark, last month gave his blessing to a “gay pilgrimage” that ended with a sacrilegious Mass at the cathedral in Newark. One of the militant homosexuals who participated in this abomination called the Cardinal’s blessing of it “a miracle.”  The New York Times hailed the event under the following headline:  “As Church Shifts, a Cardinal Welcomes Gays; They Embrace a ‘Miracle’”.

 Tobin supports Martin’s pro-LGBT propaganda and lauds his book: “In too many parts of our church, LGBT people have been made to feel unwelcome, excluded, and even shamed. Martin’s inspiring new book invites church leaders to minister with more compassion and reminds LGBT Catholics that they are as much a part of our church as any other Catholic.”

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Kevin Farrell:
Another Francis-appointed, Smiley, Warm and Fuzzy,
Gay-Welcoming “Prince of the Church”

Elevated to cardinal status by—who else?—Pope Bergoglio, Kevin Farrell dutifully marches in  Bergoglio’s growing “homophile” cardinalate brigade. He likewise praises Martin’s call to mainstream homosexuality and “transgenderism” in the Church.  Praising Martin’s book, he declares, is “[a] welcome and much-needed book that will… help LGBT Catholics feel more at home in what is, after all, their church.”  The pro-“gay” prelate, appropriately enough, has been made head of Bergoglio’s new “Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life,” which should accomplish as much for the family as the phony Synod did.

Life Site News sums up the crucial role of Bergoglio’s cardinals in Martin’s subversion: “Francis-appointed Cardinals back Jesuit’s pro-LGBT book.”


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Pro-“gay” Bishop Robert McElroy,
with requisite mirthful mien

Bishop Robert McElroy, head of the Diocese of San Diego—one of the recruits to the expanding corps of pro-“gay” shock troops Bergoglio is installing in key dioceses, has praised Martin’s book thus: “The Gospel demands that LGBT Catholics be genuinely loved and treasured in the life of the Church. They are not. Martin provides us the language, perspective, and sense of urgency to undertake the arduous but monumentally Christlike task of replacing a culture of alienation with a culture of merciful inclusion.”

McElroy has also demanded that his diocese be “deeply inclusive: embracing mothers and fathers beautifully bonded in their married love and the love of their children, as well as… LGBT families…” He pronounces the Catechism’s teaching that homosexuality is “intrinsically disordered” to be “very destructive language that I think we should not use pastorally.” McElroy has already explicitly authorized Holy Communion for the divorced and “remarried” who “discern” that they are not guilty of adultery, while posing no impediment to Holy Communion for sodomites.

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Pro-gay auxiliary bishop Robert Dolan:
Serving under McElroy, w
elcoming gays at his
gay parish.   Keep on smiling! Joy!


A brand new recruit to the growing gay-friendly hierarchy Pope Bergoglio is installing, Father Robert Dolan was made McElroy’s auxiliary bishop last June 29. Dolan is being billed as “Vice Disruptor” under McElroy,  meaning he is part of the Bergoglian preference for what McElroy describes as “pastoral leaders, rather than theologians” with “more knowledge of the nitty, gritty of life.”

The “nitty, gritty of life” includes episcopal opposition to President Trump’s immigration policies, being spearheaded by McElroy—the mass murder of unborn children being not that big a deal under Pope Bergoglio.  The nitty, gritty must also include the now-requisite “embrace of the LGBT community.” Accordingly, Dolan has served as “pastor of a ‘welcoming parish’ in the city’s gay and lesbian district,” which assignment Dolan describes as “an eye-opening experience, but also a joyful experience.” 

Joy, joy, joy!  There’s endless, unquenchable joy in Gay Church—now open for business in the “gay and lesbian district” of every city, which naturally requires at least one gay and lesbian parish. Because, as everyone knows, “gay and lesbian Catholics” are different from just plain Catholics.  They can hardly be expected to attend just any old Catholic parish. Oh, no, no, no!  They must have their own special parishes where they can be “welcomed” with all their gayness and lesbian-ness on public display.

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Fr. Thomas Rosica: Nasty “LGBT” attack dog

The unbearably smug Father Thomas Rosica, a Vatican Press Office attaché during the Phony Synod, indignantly declared during the rigged proceedings: “The jubilee of mercy requires a language of mercy, in particular in speaking about homosexuals or gay persons. We do not pity gay persons but we recognize them for who they are. They are our sons and daughters and brothers and sisters.”

Assuming the role of LGBT attack dog, Rosica blasted Chaput and other bishops (alluding to “some bishops”) who have been critical of Martin’s book and the LGBT mainstreaming campaign in general, accusing them of “erecting high, impenetrable walls and noisy echo chambers of monologue” and attributing opposition to Martin’s propaganda to “the dark, dysfunctional side of the Catholic blogosphere…”

Rosica harkened back to the Phony Synod, during which “courageous bishops and Cardinals of the Church challenged their brother bishops and Synod delegates to be attentive to our language in speaking about homosexual persons.”  He praised New Zealand Cardinal John Dew in particular for his “fervent plea to examine our ecclesial language of ‘intrinsically disordered’ to describe homosexual persons.” The language of the Catechism, according to Rosica, is merely “scholastic theology” that “miss[es] the mark and end[s] up doing more harm than good.”

Alluding to one of Bergoglio’s demagogic slogans, Rosica declared: “Reality is more important than lofty theological or philosophical ideas”—meaning the negative precepts of the natural law, including the absolute impermissibility of sodomy.

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Robert Barron:
T
elegenic soft-pedaler of Catholic teaching on theintrinsic
evil of sodomy and the abomination of “gay marriage”


Alongside the more obvious “gay Church” promoters are the smooth-talking “conservative” commentators, such as Bishop Robert Barron—made a bishop by Bergoglio, of course—who enable the same mission by insisting the Church is not “anti-gay” and apologizing for her supposed insensitivity to “gay persons,” while soft-pedaling the intrinsic evil and depravity of sodomy as merely (to quote Barron) “falling short” of “the high bar” of the Church’s teaching on sexuality, thus reduced to a lofty ideal, and an “incomplete integration of the sexual act” rather than one of the sins crying out for divine retribution.

Last, but far from least

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Francesco Coccopalmerio:
T
he personal secretary he recommended
for bishop has a thing for gay orgies

Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, President of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts, who has declared (based solely on Amoris Laetitia) that public adulterers living in “second marriages” should be admitted to Holy Communion if they find it “impossible” to refrain from adulterous sexual relations, has also stated that while this permission would not extend to “gay couples” because “it’s not a natural condition”—unlike “natural”  heterosexual adultery!—nevertheless “We can accept them, welcome them, accept their decision…

In what is surely only the tip of a very large iceberg, Coccopalmerio’s personal secretary, Luigi Capozzi, was arrested in the midst of a drug-fueled homosexual orgy in a plush apartment located in the same building as the headquarters of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.  According to the journalist who broke the story, Francesco Antonio Grana, Coccopalmerio had recommended (unsuccessfully) that Capozzi be made a bishop.

Edward Pentin, unable to obtain an official Vatican comment on the scandal (because it is undeniable), reports that his source within the curia admits that “the story is true” and that “the extent of homosexual practice in the Vatican has ‘never been worse’, despite efforts begun by Benedict XVI to root out sexual deviancy from the curia after the Vatileaks scandal of 2012.”  Those efforts have clearly not only been halted but have gone into reverse.

Conclusion

As Pope Bergoglio continues to stack the College of Cardinals and the episcopate with pro-“gay” subversives or clueless liberal ding-a-lings, the faithful can only brace themselves for the next stage of the Bergoglian Debacle—the rise of Gay Church—while praying for a speedy (and probably miraculous) deliverance from the clutches of the Dictatorship of Mercy.

In its puff piece on Cardinal Tobin, The New York Times notes that after he was sent packing from the Vatican to Indiana on account of his failure and refusal to do anything effective to discipline America’s plague of dissident nuns—an assignment he resented—Tobin  “lifted weights in the early mornings wearing a skull-printed do-rag.”  What could be more appropriate to depict the “gay”-friendly Bergoglian regime Tobin so perfectly exemplifies than the universal symbol of death?

 



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1 posted on 07/30/2017 10:36:59 AM PDT by ebb tide
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“Joseph Tobin Pumping iron and welcoming “gay couples” to his cathedral”

Except: http://www.archindy.org/archbishop/scotus-2015.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/us-bishop-tobin-gay-marriage-blatant-rejection-gods-plan-father-lies


2 posted on 07/30/2017 10:41:30 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: ebb tide

As the Church moved into the 21st century, the biggest problems was the sex scandals and the perception that many priests were molesting young men.

Recommended solution?

Make Bergoglio the Pope!!!!!


3 posted on 07/30/2017 10:42:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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perception that many priests were molesting young men.

Probably because many priests were molesting young men.
4 posted on 07/30/2017 10:43:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ebb tide

Bringing to mind Romans 1:18-32.

Back in the day I remember people saying that the AC might likely be a homosexual and then that became unpopular because I’m guessing the homosexuals didn’t like it.

Well, to my mind it does seem likely that the AC will be a Muslim; however, don’t count him being a faggot too out because he’ll be Islam’s new can do no wrong leader in all things ... but even if he isn’t I’m closing on betting whoever his ally the FP will be he’ll be a flaming poofter so as to facilitate bringing this ground swell of all things perverted into the ranks of AC’s dominion.


5 posted on 07/30/2017 10:49:48 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: ebb tide

I am disgusted.

“the Pope does not place himself into the concrete politics of a country”
For that, he is a liar. He worked with the castros to bring about the gift that bammy gave them. He worked with iran to enable the nuclear “deal.”
He is a liar, and therefore not fit to be pope, and must resign.
Retired Pope Benedict XVI said in an interview that he felt a “duty” to resign from the papacy because of his declining health. He lied too. He was forced out by the m*slim-loving, gay-loving vatican mafia.

This is not the Church that I knew.


6 posted on 07/30/2017 10:50:23 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If free speech is taken away, dumb and silent we are led, like sheep to the slaughter: G Washington)
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To: ebb tide

The Gay Mafia is attempting to do to the Catholics what they did to the Episcopalians. What a coup that would be, in their eyes: the assets of the Roman Catholic church, including the Vatican, all under their control.


7 posted on 07/30/2017 10:51:07 AM PDT by bkopto
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To: ebb tide

Waiting for Bergoglio’s coming out. It can’t be long now.


8 posted on 07/30/2017 10:52:23 AM PDT by onedoug ( KEK)
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To: ebb tide

There is a classic back and forth that occasionally occurs in which someone asks the preacher,

“What are you preaching on today?”

Preacher: “Sin.”

Questioner (humorously): “Are you for it or against it?”

Everybody: “Ha ha ha ha ha!”

However, nowadays when the question is asked, perhaps the question isn’t followed by laughter but for anxious concern about what the answer might be.


9 posted on 07/30/2017 11:05:01 AM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: vladimir998

This CNS article is about Bishop Thomas Tobin:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/us-bishop-tobin-gay-marriage-blatant-rejection-gods-plan-father-lies

The orthodox statement on marriage by Joseph Tobin in 2015 means little. Bergoglio would say as much. All their undermining of the Church’s teaching is done with winks and nods. They rarely slip up and publish explicit heresy. They mostly just let their underlings run amok.


10 posted on 07/30/2017 11:07:24 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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Outside of the gays doing their best to control the Church, we gotta think what Jesus must be thinking about all this. He had a Judas he had to deal with and what happened to him?

Jesus let his disciples know that their prime job was to feed his lambs and feed his sheep.

This will not end well for the Judas's who have taken control and are no longer doing their jobs.

11 posted on 07/30/2017 11:08:52 AM PDT by Slyfox (Where's Reagan when we need him? Look in the mirror - the spirit of The Gipper lives within you.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Frankie lost me when he chastised families having lots of kids.

That is just a step away from endorsing artificial birth control.

Mortal sin.

12 posted on 07/30/2017 11:11:28 AM PDT by Slyfox (Where's Reagan when we need him? Look in the mirror - the spirit of The Gipper lives within you.)
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To: ebb tide

even if this article is only half accurate, the church is in very grave danger

and the Pope should come out (sorry about that, an accidental phrase) and fight against this, try to clean up the church

a homosexually-inclined man who is a sincere Catholic (or Protestant or Jew) will abstain from “the homosexual lifestyle” (sodomy, etc.). He will adhere to his Biblical faith commitment instead.

those that openly flaunt or advocate it... need to be removed from clerical/ecclesiastical rank


13 posted on 07/30/2017 11:13:35 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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With the Church openly saying gay is OK what else of Christian teaching can be thrown out? Obviously adultery is OK, soon abortion will be OK, gay marriage sure, plural marriage coming soon. Might as well throw out Christ and install Satan and complete the transformation.


14 posted on 07/30/2017 11:26:49 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcherhttp://www.stone)
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To: ebb tide

Next we will find out that Jorge Bergoglio worked as a bouncer for a gay nightclub.


15 posted on 07/30/2017 11:27:53 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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To: ebb tide

Well, they do look happy.


16 posted on 07/30/2017 11:29:58 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: jonrick46

He was a bouncer for a nightclub but I’ve never heard that it was a gay one.


17 posted on 07/30/2017 11:31:24 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ebb tide

And they wonder why there was a Reformation.


18 posted on 07/30/2017 11:32:45 AM PDT by tjd1454
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I’m waiting for the earth to open up beneath the Vatican and drop that house of perversion sink into the abyss where it belongs. The true Church will re-emerge, but woe to them who have brought this abomination to Seat of Peter.


19 posted on 07/30/2017 11:33:47 AM PDT by littleharbour
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‘As Pope Bergoglio continues to stack the College of Cardinals and the episcopate with pro-“gay” subversives or clueless liberal ding-a-lings, the faithful can only brace themselves for the next stage of the Bergoglian Debacle—the rise of Gay Church—while praying for a speedy (and probably miraculous) deliverance from the clutches of the Dictatorship of Mercy.’

How does the miraculous deliverance take place if the College of Cardinals is stacked with Leftists? Had Hillary won [thank God she didn’t] and stacked the SC with Leftists, we’d be sunk. How does this not apply in the College of Cardinals case?


20 posted on 07/30/2017 11:38:01 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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