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To: af_vet_1981
Works are mentioned more than faith in this context. For example, the LORD Jesus Christ spoke to the seven genuine churchs in Revelation, and all who have ears to hear, about what they need to do to get to heaven: mentioning works 11 times and faith twice.

You've misunderstood the function of works. It's not for salvation.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works (Romans 4:4-6)

"...to him that worketh NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his FAITH is counted for righteousness."

Salvation is "without works" because the reward is NOT of debt, but of grace. Salvation is a "gift" not of works, lest any man should boast.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.(Ephesians 2:8-10)

Not that we MUST walk in them, but SHOULD. "By grace though faith" gets one to heaven. "Works" determine the rewards one receives in heaven.

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)

Even without rewards (debt reckoned from works) "he himself shall be saved".

29 posted on 06/09/2017 3:46:02 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

Amen. This.


31 posted on 06/09/2017 6:48:12 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: nonsporting
While some passages about servants who do not obey the LORD argue for a purifying fire like purgatory, it is difficult to argue that weeping and gnashing of teeth, as well as being cast into outer darkness are (always or ever) a form of purgatory, and these words are for servants who do not watch.

I think Calvinism (named after a French lawyer) argues some scriptures do not apply to its doctrines. Removing scripture is a path for any religious movement to recreate/reconstruct/reform the faith once delivered to the saints into a faith of another kind.
33 posted on 06/09/2017 7:19:50 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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