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To: nonsporting
While some passages about servants who do not obey the LORD argue for a purifying fire like purgatory, it is difficult to argue that weeping and gnashing of teeth, as well as being cast into outer darkness are (always or ever) a form of purgatory, and these words are for servants who do not watch.

I think Calvinism (named after a French lawyer) argues some scriptures do not apply to its doctrines. Removing scripture is a path for any religious movement to recreate/reconstruct/reform the faith once delivered to the saints into a faith of another kind.
33 posted on 06/09/2017 7:19:50 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
I think Calvinism (named after a French lawyer) argues some scriptures do not apply to its doctrines.

Calvin was a theologian and a pastor, as well as a lawyer. Your comment is equvalent to saying Paul was a Jewish tentmaker. True, but incomplete. I do not know why you wished to make this point about Calvin, but it appears that it was to discredit him. Please let me know if I am wrong.

34 posted on 06/09/2017 7:45:55 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: af_vet_1981
While some passages about servants who do not obey the LORD argue for a purifying fire like purgatory, it is difficult to argue that weeping and gnashing of teeth, as well as being cast into outer darkness are (always or ever) a form of purgatory, and these words are for servants who do not watch.

You need to supply these verses, so that we can explore their context. "purgatory" is an extra-biblical doctrine based on a lie. See below on works and righteousness.

As to obey: Greek "obey" is sometimes translated as "believe". See John 3:36:

He that believeth (πιστεύων) on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth (ἀπειθῶν) not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

ὁ πιστεύων εἰς τὸν υἱὸν ἔχει ζωὴν αἰώνιον· ὁ δὲ ἀπειθῶν τῷ υἱῷ οὐκ ὄψεται ζωήν ἀλλ' ἡ ὀργὴ τοῦ θεοῦ μένει ἐπ' αὐτόν
It's not dificult to understand the relationship -- to obey the Lord by following him in faith.

Many today believe in this false works doctrine. It's not new. Israel also sought righteousness through works. Not possible.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (Romans 9:30-33)

Trying to achieve righteousness by following after the law is NOT possible.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21)

42 posted on 06/09/2017 11:12:49 AM PDT by nonsporting
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