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Pope Francis condemns Catholics who hold true to doctrine, calls them, "fanatics" [Cath Cauc]
Vox Cantoris ^
| May 23, 2017
| Vox Cantor
Posted on 05/23/2017 8:28:10 AM PDT by ebb tide
Pope Francis condemns Catholics who hold true to doctrine, calls them, "fanatics"
The previous post reports on Cardinal Maradiaga's inflammatory comments about Cardinal Burke. Below is the homily given by Francis, Bishop of Rome last Friday, May 19, at the chapel in the Casa Santa Marta.
Note the similarity between the two. Note also that this homily was given whilst the Rome Life Forum organised by Voice of the Family was continuing. Is it possible that this rebuke was meant for these and the speakers, including Cardinals Caffara and Burke, Bishop Schneider and such luminous laymen as Prof. Roberto de Mattei?
The Bishop of Rome has said that the duty of the Church is to "clarify doctrine," and that the "spirit of the Gospel" must be better understood.
The "spirit of the Gospel." Have we not hear this before? The so-called "spirit of Vatican II?" There is no doctrine of Christ to be clarified. The Gospels are quite clear and the Church has had two thousand years to discuss and discern. There is nothing new to develop, nothing new to clarify, nothing new to determine. Nothing has changed. Adultery is what it is. Sodomy is what it is. Sin is what it is.
Think for a moment. How is it that in 2017 with all of our education, more than at any other time in human history, with the Internet and the information of the ages at our fingertips, how can it be that the Gospels now need clarification? The Holy Spirit does not change, what was true before is true now, what was a lie before is still a lie. It is blasphemy to think this.
What evil god would suddenly, in 2014 or 2017 change his truth for what came before? Only a false god, only an evil, diabolical god would do such a thing, only a flying-spaghetti monster in the sky would do such a thing and play tricks on the fools of humanity who for two millennia walked a certain path only to be enlightened now. Those fools, those idiots, those silly ancestors who actually fell for the lie of false god. Those silly deluded souls who did not have the "god of surprises" to lead them.
No. This is not of God, it is of the diabolical.
God does not change. God does not trick His people. God has not treated us as fools, nor has he abandoned us. But make no mistake, we have abandoned Him and by doing so we have left the Church so weak that it would be taken over by men who hate you, hate me and more than anything, hate Him.
The Church is in her greatest crisis since the Arian heresy. As St. Athanasius is reported to have said then, "They have the buildings, we have the Faith."
For this writer, the loyalty and docility to the Pope and Bishops goes only as far as their loyalty and docility to Our Lord Jesus Christ. Papolatry and episcoplatry is a sin. It is not Catholic. It is not from the Holy Spirit.
Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever. Amen.
So we are faced with two groups of people. The group of the apostles who want to discuss the problem, and the others who go and create problems. They divide, they divide the Church, they say that what the Apostles preached is not what Jesus said, that it is not the truth.
"There were many [councils], up until Vatican II, which clarified doctrine: for example, when we recite the Creed, it is the result of councils that have defined doctrine
It is a duty of the Church to clarify doctrine so that what Jesus said in the Gospels is better understood, what is the Spirit of the Gospels
. "
"But there were always those people who, without any commission, goes out to disturb the Christian community with speeches that upset souls: Eh, no, someone who says that is a heretic, you cant say this, or that; this is the doctrine of the Church. And they are fanatics about things that are not clear, like these fanatics who go around there, sowing discord in order to divide the Christian community. And this is the problem: when the doctrine of the Church, that which comes from the Gospel, that which the Holy Spirit inspires because Jesus said, 'He will teach us and remind you of all that I have taught that doctrine becomes an ideology. And this is the great error of these people."
"We must not be frightened when we hear of the opinions of the ideologues of doctrine. The Church has its own Magisterium, the Magisterium of the Pope, of the Bishops, of the Councils, and we must go along the path that comes from the preaching of Jesus, and from the teaching and assistance of the Holy Spirit, it is always open, always free
this is the freedom of the Spirit, but in doctrine
doctrine unites, the councils always unite the Christian community
ideology divides
for them ideology is more important than doctrine: they leave aside the Holy Spirit."
"Today it falls to me to call for the grace of mature obedience to the Magisterium of the Church, that obedience to what the Church has always taught and there continues to teach us
. it develops the Gospel, explains it better each time, in fidelity to Peter, the bishops, and ultimately, to the Holy Spirit who guides and supports this process
to pray also for those who transform doctrine into ideology, so that the Lord may give them the grace of conversion to the unity of the Church, to the Holy Spirit and to true doctrine."
Sources: Vatican Radio, "Pope Francis: doctrine unites, ideology divides," May 19, 2017,
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/05/19/pope_francis_doctrine_unites,_ideology_divides/1313444.
L'Osservatore Romano, ed. quotidiana, Anno CLVII, n.116, 20/05/2017, http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/cotidie/2017/documents/papa-francesco-cotidie_20170519_dottrina-e-ideologia.html- See more at:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/05/pope-francis-condemns-catholic-fanatics.html#sthash.WDIsRsgo.dpuf
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; doctrine; francischurch
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posted on
05/23/2017 8:28:11 AM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: ebb tide
He is a false pope, the real Pope was forced to retire.
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posted on
05/23/2017 8:34:49 AM PDT
by
fella
("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
To: ebb tide
I am totally stunned at the stupidity of this human being...I don’t even know where to start...
I know we are being tested to keep our faith, to seek God in all we do, but I cannot believe that God would let this kind of person head our Great Religion...
I will keep my ‘traditional’ teachings and I will continue in the belief that God is here with me and all others during their walks down life’s paths...He will never forsake me nor will He forsake others...
3
posted on
05/23/2017 8:35:18 AM PDT
by
HarleyLady27
( "The Force Awakens!!!"...Trump and Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
To: ebb tide
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posted on
05/23/2017 8:37:54 AM PDT
by
Biggirl
("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
To: ebb tide
For a guy who talks in cliches about widening acceptance in the Church and pastoral care, he sure has nasty things to say about his opponents.
Just like a true socialist.
5
posted on
05/23/2017 8:37:57 AM PDT
by
PGR88
To: ebb tide
Is the Pope Catholic?
What was once a silly syllogism is now an honest question.............
6
posted on
05/23/2017 8:39:31 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Profanity is the sound of an ignorant mind trying to express itself.............)
To: ebb tide
I hope normal clear-headed Catholics see what a counterfeit commie Obama-like stooge this guy is.
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posted on
05/23/2017 8:44:35 AM PDT
by
SpaceBar
To: ebb tide
Benedict was a real pope. This guy isn’t.
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posted on
05/23/2017 8:57:18 AM PDT
by
I want the USA back
(Acting consistently in a way that is contrary to nature results in insanity.)
To: fella
It is with a heavy heart that I say, “ditto”.
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posted on
05/23/2017 9:05:00 AM PDT
by
simpson96
To: simpson96
We must pray for Holy Mother Church. She will survive this errant shepherd, as She has survived others in the past.
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posted on
05/23/2017 9:17:44 AM PDT
by
Bigg Red
(Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
To: ebb tide
Well, color me a “radical”. Francis is off the rails.
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posted on
05/23/2017 9:19:42 AM PDT
by
Jaded
(Pope Francis? Not really a fan... miss the last guy who recognized how Islam spread... the sword.ag)
To: ebb tide
President Trump should kindly ask Pope Francis why, in his sermon at the 100th of the first Fatima Apparition, he said that Fatima's message was one of building bridges, not walls, or some other lie.
In fact, the message of Fatima was anti-sin, pro-repentance and conversion, pro-Rosary, anti-communist, and anti-licentiousness.
It was a message of impending chastisement for the whole world, and for sinners in particular, eternity in a frightful, fiery Hell, described in great detail by the witnesses, who were so shocked and terrified by the vision they nearly died just seeing it.
The message of Fatima was also one of a future of gloom and even death for a pope or popes of the future, and wholesale martyrdom of Christians whose blood would be collected by angels and scattered over the faithful with aspergilla, as if it were holy water.
The message of Fatima was also that the errors of communism, birthed in Russia, would spread over the world (indeed as they have) unless Russia would be converted.
The errors of communism we now see commonplace in the world are envy, abortion, atheism, sexual licentiousness, destruction of the family, normalization of homosexuality and other sins, persecution of Christians and Jews, wholesale corruption in all our traditional institutions, a welfare state, the Democrat Party, liberals, a hatred of savings, earning, work, and free charitable giving, and other fruits of atheism.
I wish the POTUS would ask Francis 1 why he did not mention the real message of Fatima, and why he lied about its true nature?
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posted on
05/23/2017 9:25:38 AM PDT
by
caddie
To: ebb tide
And those of us who adhere to Catholic doctrine call Pope Frances (the “e” is purposeful) an apostate or a Lutheran.
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posted on
05/23/2017 9:41:36 AM PDT
by
MIchaelTArchangel
(The proper pronoun for transgenders is IT not HE and not SHE.)
To: ebb tide
.....but in doctrine
doctrine unites, the councils always unite the Christian community
ideology divides.... False.
Doctrine divides. It divides believers from non-believers. It must, by definition, be "rigid". Doctrine which is not "rigid" is not doctrine. It is a hypothesis, a recommendation, a guideline, a suggestion. Those who have a problem with doctrine (such as Francis) are non-believers. Scripture is full of examples. For instance, after Jesus enunciated the doctrine of the Holy Eucharist.
"And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him." John 6: 66-67
And this...
"Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. For there shall be from henceforth five in one house divided: three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against his father, the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother, the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." Luke 12: 51-53
And this....
Some therefore of the Pharisees said: This man is not of God, who keepeth not the sabbath. But others said: How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them." John 9:16
Francis just makes stuff up.
To: caddie
No joke, Trump should ask if he works for Satan and why he’s trying to destroy the Church.
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posted on
05/23/2017 10:19:46 AM PDT
by
bgill
(CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
To: ebb tide
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posted on
05/23/2017 10:22:14 AM PDT
by
Sergio
(An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
To: ebb tide
He’s typical of a very, very, very old school Catholic Pope. Bring out the wracks! Hang on to your heads!
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posted on
05/23/2017 2:59:26 PM PDT
by
SaraJohnson
( Whites must sue for racism. It's pay day.)
To: ebb tide
I feel like the vast number of pope related posts would be cut down if Catholics would just accept that most priests are closeted homosexuals pretending to care about religion because they like the lifestyle.
I was raised catholic and my ancestors on both sides are all catholics going back a thousand years. I was an altar boy, went to CCD, even went to parochial school for a while. After my mom died our parish named a yearly award after her. My parents were very involved and we had high level clergy over for dinner all the time. I know the catholic church from the inside. Almost all priests are closet gays. Once you understand this obsessing over papal trivia won’t seem important.
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