Posted on 05/11/2017 6:24:05 PM PDT by StormPrepper
Ahem! Jews appealed to Pilate to punish Jesus but it was the Romans that crucified Jesus; albeit Pilate argued for Jesus to be spared execution.
There is a fake 29th chapter of ACTS that claims PAUL went to Spain and England, then traveled overland to Switzerland where he saw Lake Lucerne, where “Pilate drowned himself”, transformed into the shape of a crucifix.
I personally don’t believe it until more proof is found.
If you look at a view from above Lake Lucerne does look similar to a crucifix.
Having grown up in a pagan religion where the gods routinely assumed human form Pilate would likely have been very superstitious about killing one of them- which could explain his reticence to order Jesus’ execution and his unwillingness to accept blame for it. If he had been truly cynical and corrupt he would have easily ordered Jesus’ execution without a second thought.
And in the end Jesus was going to be crucified in order to fulfill his role no matter what Pilate did. When Peter tried to prevent it Jesus told him “get thee behind me Satan”. The outcome was already preordained.
It all happened exactly as it was meant to. Jesus was the final sacrificial lamb, fulfilling prophecy and symbolized by all the Jewish temple sacrifices made in the entire history of the Jewish people. In a miraculous convergence of events, ALL of humanity rejected him and brought about the circumstances that sent Jesus to the cross. The Jews abandoned him, the Romans (gentiles) abandoned him, his disciples abandoned him, and finally, for a brief time, he was abandoned by his Father and the Holy Spirit. It had to be so, else the ultimate sacrifice for sin would not have been made, and we would all be lost.
Humanity as a whole was in need of salvation, and humanity, fallen, blind, sinful and lost, ensured that he would accomplish what he came to do. God knew exactly how humanity would receive him and he used that knowledge to turn the tables and make salvation possible. Very deep stuff actually.
You are correct sir. This is Mormon spam.
Certainly sounded like it.
Thank you for the correction
Certainly sounded like it.
Thank you for the correction
Thanks for the clarification.
Regarding Pilate and Judas, we are not their judges. I believe you're correct in saying that history does not record their conversion.
Without Christ as our advocate, we will find ourselves in perdition.
Salvation is available to every man through the work of Jesus Christ. The work is that Jesus died in our place and by doing so paid for our sins reconciling us to the Father and opening the door to heaven.
Every man is free to accept or reject Jesus the Christ as personal Savior/Redeemer. We will be judged by our choice.
Pilate had the authority and power to exonerate and save Christ - but he did not. Rome (Gentiles) and Jewish Sanhedrin were complicit in bringing about Christ's Crucifixion. Sinful men (Jews and Gentiles) were complicit in bringing about Christ's Crucifixion.
Jesus speaking to Pilate in John 19:11 - "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."
Notice, Jesus does not exonerate Pilate or say Pilate is without sin. Jesus points out that the one who handed him over has the "greater" sin. Is Jesus speaking of Judas as "the one" or the Sanhedrin? I think both since Judas conspired with the Sanhedrin to betray Christ.
Mormonism bring out the best in people!
The early ones were SO 'christian' that they claimed some sins were even too bad for Christ's blood to atone for; the perp's OWN blood must be shed!
11 was gone before I could read it.
I'm wounded to the CORE!!
How can you SAY this??
All you have to DO is...
The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.
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THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
Joseph Smith |
--Mormon_Dude(Hail Joseph!!)
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Temple Recommend Questions
1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost? 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer? 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days? 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? 5 Do you live the law of chastity? 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church? 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel? 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen? 10 Are you a full-tithe payer? 11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom? 12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations? 13 If you have previously received your temple endowment: Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple? Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple? 14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been? 15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances? |
Well, considering the religious choice of the one who started this thread...
Not necessarily.
There is no TIME mentioned in the death of Judas.
He could have hung there for a long, LONG time 'til he disintegrated.
Of course, buzzards picking at ya might tend to accelerate the process.
3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”
“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.” 7 So they decided to use the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners. 8 That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. 9 Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on him by the people of Israel, 10 and they used them to buy the potter’s field, as the Lord commanded me.”[a]
18 (With the payment he received for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
Similar to Trump's statement: Mexico will pay for it??
And you KNOW this how?
When Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, he was very remorseful and deeply regretted what he had done, yet there is no record of him asking for forgiveness or of his repenting.
And 'no record' does NOT 'confirm' that it never happened.
"If your right hand offends you; cut it off."
Which goes good; I hear; with Mormon muffins!
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