Posted on 05/10/2017 9:03:36 AM PDT by Salvation
Where was Luther told he had to pay for Salvation?
Nice change of the subject.
I’m pretty sure you know the answer.
So you admit the RCC was in error prior to Trent. How can you be assured it is not in error now?
They can still "read it and watch the video with an open heart" with it being a Catholic Caucus.
The thread is now nothing but trash.
That’s right....silence the Truth. Good thing Paul didn’t have the caucus thread when he was sharing the Gospel. But he did have those trying to silence him. Eierly similar to this situation.
Did you think that a thread with this major point of contention could possibly be posted without arguments?
Why is that? because someone doesn't believe exactly like you do? I feel a big boo-hoo coming on.
Another untrue statement contradicted by Rome’s own writings.
What threads?
I am not surprised that this happening again just like what happened yesterday and a few years back. Good grief they have their own threads. Salvation does a wonderful job,and I like this presentation, but I like the trolling going on either.
Correction: this is happening.
Change of subject?
From your post #36:
“What, you mean the insecurity of being told you have to pay for salvation,”
Correction: Do not the trolling.
No, Mr. Johnny come lately.
There were abuses in practice, NOT abuses in teaching.
Trent resolved the abuses and the teachings remained unchanged.
Thank you for playing.
What is “untrue” and how do you suppose it is contradicted?
I did, but don't the Apocrypha to be Scripture.
To add on a bit since it interests you... here is a quick summary.
Many non-biblical compositions were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. That does not "validate" them as Scripture.
The Jews themselves did not accept the Apocrypha as Scripture.
Josephus and the Jewish teacher Philo of Alexandria (c 20 BC-AD 50) did not recognize the Apocrypha as Scripture - both Jews who knew the Jewish Canon.
Neither Jesus nor the New Testament writers ever quote the Apocrypha as Scripture.
Jerome, translator of the Latin Vulgate, rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture.
Gregory the Great, bishop of Rome from 590-604 AD rejected the book of 1 Maccabees as canonical in his commentary on the book of Job.
While we could go even more into depth, I think it serves little purpose on this thread.
Nor do I try to convince you.
I only note that I've made a studied decision and along with the Jews, scholars of the Jews, Jesus and the entire group of NT writers, Jerome, and Gregory, I reject the Apocryphal writings as Scripture.
In the meantime, the demonic apparition we are discussing on this thread and the teachings that have hurt so many Catholics is quite sad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence#Protestant_Reformation
Fortunately we have Colossians 2:13-14 to counter this false teaching of Roman Catholicism.
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Our sin debt was paid in full at the Cross. The Greek definitions behind this passage indicates our sins are wiped away...erased.
If the blood of Christ is insufficient to remove our sins then nothing mere man can do will.
The false notion of mortal sins causing one to lose salvation is again countered by Ephesians 1:13-14
13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
We have nothing in the NT to ever indicate a believer can unseal what God has sealed...or that God unseals the believer.
I suspect the main reason for the open thread is to bait y’all unbelievers into getting too rambunctious, and then being scolded from youknowwho.
jmho
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