Posted on 05/10/2017 9:03:36 AM PDT by Salvation
Continuing with the theme of urgency from yesterday’s post, we do well to consider Mary’s fervent requests at Fatima for prayer, conversion, and consecration. This Saturday will mark the 100th anniversary of Mary’s first appearance at Fatima.
It was a critical time in human history. The First World War had claimed more than 17 million lives. Mary urged prayer to end this catastrophe:
Thanks be to God, through the children’s prayers and surely those of others, the war did soon end. In October, Our Lady said,
War is a terrible result of human sinfulness as well as a punishment for it. Sin is its own punishment; when we sow the wind, we reap the whirlwind. Part of the horror of the First World War was the use of chemical weapons. So appalling was the suffering and so great was the loss of life that in 1925 most nations willingly signed the Geneva Protocol, which prohibited their use in international armed conflicts.
But Mother Mary urgently warned that if the people of this world did not repent, pray, and cease offending God, a war far worse would come:
Sadly, as we know, the Second World War formally ensued in 1939. Months earlier, in 1938, a remarkable display of the Aurora Borealis further south than ever observed made international headlines. It was a final warning. More than 60 million people died in World War II. Atrocities were multiplied, and the most fearsome weapon ever contrived—the atom bomb—would haunt the world long after the war. Russia, too, spread Marxist and atheist errors.
See what happens when we do heed the urgent request to pray? Wars can be ended, souls can be saved, and peace can be brought.
But also note the terrible consequences of failing to pray and be converted! Jesus once said to paralyzed man he had healed, See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you (John 5:14). So, too, for the people of that time who, though having received God’s mercies in the end of World War I, fell back into sin. The decadence, financial excess, and foolishness of the “roaring” 1920s, both in Europe and America, brought a harvest of corruption, both morally and politically. It ushered in both the Great Depression and then a war far worse than ever imagined.
Yes, prayer and conversion are both urgent and essential. This is true not only in terms of this world, but also of the world to come. This world’s travails are indeed awful, but they are temporary. Mother Mary sets far greater stakes before us: Heaven or Hell.
Where will you spend eternity? What about your children, siblings, and friends? Have you thought about this at all? Do you understand the urgency? Consider well some of what our Lady of Fatima said by way of an eternal warning:
Here is a mother urgently warning her children of the fires of hell, of the consequences of sin and the final refusal to repent. Here is a mother urgently calling for prayer, reparation, sacrifices, and conversion.
She is urgent; are we? To be urgent does not mean to be in a panic; it means to be sober and alert, to be persistent and consistent in attending to our final end and to that of others to the degree that we are able.
Caritas Christi urget nos: The Love of Christ urges us on! …. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God (2 Cor 5:14, 20).
Where was Luther told he had to pay for Salvation?
Nice change of the subject.
I’m pretty sure you know the answer.
So you admit the RCC was in error prior to Trent. How can you be assured it is not in error now?
They can still "read it and watch the video with an open heart" with it being a Catholic Caucus.
The thread is now nothing but trash.
That’s right....silence the Truth. Good thing Paul didn’t have the caucus thread when he was sharing the Gospel. But he did have those trying to silence him. Eierly similar to this situation.
Did you think that a thread with this major point of contention could possibly be posted without arguments?
Why is that? because someone doesn't believe exactly like you do? I feel a big boo-hoo coming on.
Another untrue statement contradicted by Rome’s own writings.
What threads?
I am not surprised that this happening again just like what happened yesterday and a few years back. Good grief they have their own threads. Salvation does a wonderful job,and I like this presentation, but I like the trolling going on either.
Correction: this is happening.
Change of subject?
From your post #36:
“What, you mean the insecurity of being told you have to pay for salvation,”
Correction: Do not the trolling.
No, Mr. Johnny come lately.
There were abuses in practice, NOT abuses in teaching.
Trent resolved the abuses and the teachings remained unchanged.
Thank you for playing.
What is “untrue” and how do you suppose it is contradicted?
I did, but don't the Apocrypha to be Scripture.
To add on a bit since it interests you... here is a quick summary.
Many non-biblical compositions were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. That does not "validate" them as Scripture.
The Jews themselves did not accept the Apocrypha as Scripture.
Josephus and the Jewish teacher Philo of Alexandria (c 20 BC-AD 50) did not recognize the Apocrypha as Scripture - both Jews who knew the Jewish Canon.
Neither Jesus nor the New Testament writers ever quote the Apocrypha as Scripture.
Jerome, translator of the Latin Vulgate, rejected the Apocrypha as Scripture.
Gregory the Great, bishop of Rome from 590-604 AD rejected the book of 1 Maccabees as canonical in his commentary on the book of Job.
While we could go even more into depth, I think it serves little purpose on this thread.
Nor do I try to convince you.
I only note that I've made a studied decision and along with the Jews, scholars of the Jews, Jesus and the entire group of NT writers, Jerome, and Gregory, I reject the Apocryphal writings as Scripture.
In the meantime, the demonic apparition we are discussing on this thread and the teachings that have hurt so many Catholics is quite sad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence#Protestant_Reformation
Fortunately we have Colossians 2:13-14 to counter this false teaching of Roman Catholicism.
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Our sin debt was paid in full at the Cross. The Greek definitions behind this passage indicates our sins are wiped away...erased.
If the blood of Christ is insufficient to remove our sins then nothing mere man can do will.
The false notion of mortal sins causing one to lose salvation is again countered by Ephesians 1:13-14
13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
We have nothing in the NT to ever indicate a believer can unseal what God has sealed...or that God unseals the believer.
I suspect the main reason for the open thread is to bait y’all unbelievers into getting too rambunctious, and then being scolded from youknowwho.
jmho
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