Posted on 11/15/2016 7:14:03 AM PST by Salvation
Your own interpretation again?
Speaking as a non-Catholic, the funeral services for Catholic members of our family have been far superior, in my opinion, to every other denomination I have attended.
The words spoken in introducing the deceased by the family during the procession are more than fitting eulogy, and then the conduct of the remainder of the service to the glory of God is moving. So, as a Methodist pastor soon to be retired, I often say that the Catholic funeral service is without equal.
This article is by one who has a few adjustments he’d make. Some of his theological points are not part of my understanding. Protestants are reluctant to accept any notion of purgatory, although we do accept the post-death judgement seat of Christ at which our works built on the foundation of Christ will be evaluated. (1 Co 3).
I wholeheartedly agree with him that the funeral is a great opportunity for proclamation of the gospel and the proclamation of God’s mercy.
In short, his objections seem to me to be adjustments and not a major overhaul.
Just a protestant’s 2 cents worth. If my comments are inappropriate, please flag a mod and have them remove this post. I intend no distraction by it, and if it becomes that, I want it removed.
Those who were there at the time are gone from earth and present in the Lord. Those of us who remain are left with the blessed Holy Spirit, who guides believers into all truth. We are left with God's inspired Word - also via the Holy Spirit. We are left with teachers and pastors, also gifted by the Holy Spirit.
"and nowhere in your ‘declaring’ does it say that there is no purification by God of the deceased....and nowhere in your declaration does it prove that ‘to be absent from the body is to be with the lord’ cause it doesnt say that...you misquoted it...."
There is no purification for the purpose of salvation anywhere in Scripture. What is says and what that teaches are exactly why God the Holy Spirit has made provision to understand His Word.
Paradise was a waiting place for all the good people who came before Jesus. It is NOT heaven.
“Christ descended into hell” There he preached to those people, fulfilling his messianic duties.
Remember — at the Ascension — Christ was the FIRST one into heaven.
I do not have time to lay out original language structure and words, but it would not make much sense to non-Greek readers. If anyone is interested in seeing the passage and every other NT passage laid out structurally as parts of speech, I recommend the Lexham High Definition New Testament. It is a treasure.
I will copy and past some thoughts from someone I respect and studied under at seminary that briefly touch on structure in this commentary on 2 Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 5:6–8Verses 6–8 bear the same relation to each other as do verses 2–4.
Verses 2 and 6 make a statement.Since we have the promise that we will obtain a glorified body (v. 1), and since we have a pledge of that promise in our present transformation (v. 5), we can feel consistently confident.
Verses 3 and 7 are parenthetical,
and verses 4 and 8 expand verses 2 and 6 respectively.
Statement: verse 2 & verse 6
Parenthesis: verse 3 & verse 7
Explanation: verse 4 & verse 8
However because we are absent from the Lord while we are living in our mortal bodies we desire to leave these bodies and take up our new residence in the Lord’s presence. Note that there are no other alternatives for the believer. We are either in our mortal bodies and absent from the Lord or we are with the Lord and absent from our mortal bodies.
This is a strong guarantee that when we leave our mortal bodies we will go immediately into the Lord’s presence. Being “at home with the Lord” implies a closer fellowship with Christ than we will enjoy in the future.
- Thomas Constable
All the best.
I second that.
Funeral mass for Justice Antonin Scalia, presided by his son, Father Paul Scalia. I loved the way he started off, then BOOM!
A perfect illustration of what Monsignor Pope is talking about.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cIq1fYzMhcc
Good for you! See my #27.
Four times it says it’s a judgment of our works.
Which determines our reward.
God SAVED me out of the Roman quicksand.
Ephesians ch.2
I second that.
I coordinate funerals at my parish and the helmet should not have been atop of the casket. Only the pall is during the actual Mass.
Exactly right
That's what the wake is for.
“Your own interpretation again?”
The interpretation of hundreds of millions of believers, including pastors, teachers and what the full passage teaches.
Attended the Orthodox grave side service of an elderly Ukrainian. The priest had been a friend from childhood days.
In the blazing summer sun his white and gold attire along with a gleaming bald scalp coupled with gold coated aviator glasses almosted blinded one.
With a chorus of black clad older women singing while the coffin was slowly lowered into the grave the poor distraught priest tried to climb over the rail to ride the coffin down to its resting place. Friends restrained him, but not before revealing the Bermuda shorts and black over the calf socks in sandals beneath his gear.
Was on a very hot afternoon, this Evelyn Waugh scene. Startling to say the least.
I only thought it was wives who tried to throw themselves into graves. Oh, well. Funerals can be fascinating.
Thank you for your input, not inappropriate at all.
Your comments are totally appropriate.
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for posting. Good to be reminded.
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