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New Cardinal Farrell: Amoris Laetitia is 'the Holy Spirit speaking'
National Catholic Reporter ^ | October 14, 2016 | Joshua J. McElwee

Posted on 10/14/2016 7:51:28 PM PDT by ebb tide

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"I honestly don't see what and why some bishops seem to think that they have to interpret this document," said Farrell, the head of the new Dicastery for Laity, Family and Life and who last Sunday was announced as one of 17 prelates selected by Francis to join the church's elite College of Cardinals.

"I believe that the pope has spoken," said the cardinal-designate, referring to news last month that Francis wrote a letter praising a group of Argentine bishops who had drafted concrete guidelines about circumstances in which divorced and civilly remarried couples might eventually be allowed to receive Communion.

1 posted on 10/14/2016 7:51:28 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Holy Spirit speaking? If Amoris Laetitia is deemed to be Ex Cathedra I'm out.

"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

2 posted on 10/14/2016 7:57:54 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: ebb tide

“Laypeople ... are 99 percent of the church and they need to have a voice and a say,” said Farrell. “I believe the same thing about women: they need to have a voice and a say.”

“I believe laypeople should be involved in the administration of the church, and by administration I don’t mean finances,” he said. “I mean every aspect of the life of the church.”

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Apparently, the Clinton Campaign agrees: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293

“There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic church.”


3 posted on 10/14/2016 8:01:44 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: ebb tide

Judas.

St. Thomas More, pray for us.


4 posted on 10/14/2016 8:03:39 PM PDT by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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“If Amoris Laetitia is deemed to be Ex Cathedra, I'm out.”

Don't say that. Read about the Western Schism and St. Catherine of Siena and stay put. You have a job to do. I feel EXACTLY the way you do, but it is during these dark days that the Church needs us most, just as friends need us most when they are in prison, not when their marriages are happy and their careers are flourishing.

5 posted on 10/14/2016 8:04:22 PM PDT by utahagen
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What's "gender equality"?

Is that like women urinating while standing over a toilet? Or a father nursing his child at his breast?

6 posted on 10/14/2016 8:06:25 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: utahagen

Amen!


7 posted on 10/14/2016 8:10:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I'm totally fed up with just about everything that has happened to the Church since V II. I don't recognize it anymore. It is no longer my church.

"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

8 posted on 10/14/2016 8:10:56 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: ebb tide

Heresy.


9 posted on 10/14/2016 8:11:38 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: ebb tide

More like the New World Order speaking.


10 posted on 10/14/2016 8:15:10 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: utahagen

Thank you - I needed that.


11 posted on 10/14/2016 8:43:33 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: ebb tide

AL is reversing the doctrine of Familiaris consortio.


12 posted on 10/14/2016 8:57:55 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: ConorMacNessa; ebb tide

The Holy Spirit won’t let him define this ex cathedra, that is why they are doing it this backhanded/vague way. Same way they have pushed other things through.

If you need to avoid the news and blogs for a while. Go to confession with a faithful priest.

If you are responsible for children get them to a traditional parish/chapel, or failing that find the most faithful priest you can. Your responsibility to God for them outweighs other considerations.

Finally, remember the Arian heresy. It has been this bad before. “They have the buildings- you have the Faith.”-St. Athanasius.


13 posted on 10/14/2016 9:01:59 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: ebb tide
You will have to ask the author, Sandy Newman and Wikileaks provided his email address if you care to use it: ;-)
14 posted on 10/14/2016 10:52:28 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: jtal

Amen.
We will become small, but,
We will preserve.


15 posted on 10/14/2016 11:26:22 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: ConorMacNessa

That can’t happen, because it’s heretical.

If Bergoglio ever says it’s ex cathedra, THAT is the day you can CONFIDENTLY say that he is not Pope. Until then, he’s just a rotten Pope.

He’s 80, and not all that healthy. Hang on.


16 posted on 10/15/2016 4:24:29 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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It's impossible for a koosely-worded 57,000 word document whose main message is said to be in a handful of provocative but ambiguous footnotes to be deemed "Ex Cathedra."

Seriously. It doesn't have the form of doctrinal definition. Not even Pope Francis would make such a claim.

17 posted on 10/15/2016 5:06:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Barukh ata Adonai Eloheinu, melekh ha'olam.)
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18 posted on 10/15/2016 5:34:03 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: ConorMacNessa; All
The problem is the Roman Pontiff can not be a danger to the Faith and grave harm to souls and the common good of the Holy Catholic Church based on the infallible security given to the Pope by Christ. Here is Monsignor Fenton (a highly reputable pre-Vatican II Cahtolic theologian) on the infallible safety of the Holy Catholic Church, 1949:

"It might be definitely understood, however, that the Catholic’s duty to accept the teachings conveyed in the encyclicals even when the Holy Father does not propose such teachings as a part of his infallible magisterium is not based merely upon the dicta of the theologians. The authority which imposes this obligation is that of the Roman Pontiff himself. To the Holy Father’s responsibility of caring for the sheep of Christ’s fold, there corresponds, on the part of the Church’s membership, the basic obligation of following his directions, in doctrinal as well as disciplinary matters. In this field, God has given the Holy Father a kind of infallibility distinct from the charism of doctrinal infallibility in the strict sense. He has so constructed and ordered the Church that those who follow the directives given to the entire kingdom of God on earth will never be brought into the position of ruining themselves spiritually through this obedience. Our Lord dwells within His Church in such a way that those who obey disciplinary and doctrinal directives of this society can never find themselves displeasing God through their adherence to the teachings and the commands given to the universal Church militant. Hence there can be no valid reason to discountenance even the non-infallible teaching authority of Christ’s vicar on earth. ... It is, of course, possible that the Church might come to modify its stand on some detail of teaching presented as non-infallible matter in a papal encyclical. The nature of the auctoritas providentiae doctrinalis within the Church is such, however, that this fallibility extends to questions of relatively minute detail or of particular application. The body of doctrine on the rights and duties of labor, on the Church and State, or on any other subject treated extensively in a series of papal letters directed to and normative for the entire Church militant could not be radically or completely erroneous. The infallible security Christ wills that His disciples should enjoy within His Church is utterly incompatible with such a possibility."

Those who keep focusing on just the ex-cathedra statements are wrong to do so. Francis is a clear and present danger to the Faith and grave harm to souls and the common good of the Holy Catholic Church. It does not appear that God has given him this infallible security. The question Catholics need to ask themselves is: Why?

19 posted on 10/15/2016 5:54:13 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: utahagen

During the Western Schism all papal claimants were at least Catholic. It is not comparable.


20 posted on 10/15/2016 6:31:35 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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