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To: MHGinTN; metmom; editor-surveyor; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; terycarl; af_vet_1981; teppe
because when He comes we shall be like HIM.

You're in for a real shock. Unfortunately.

Luke 18
17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

You obviously think the Lord was just joking here. I know metmom does. She's said more than once that there is no criteria for salvation.

The be-attitudes were not just good suggestions. They are requirements. This emphasized in Matt 25:34+

You have to become "Christ like" in this life. Full of love and forgiveness in this life. Humble. That's why service is so important, it molds our character to be like Christ's character.

You actually think someone that is rude, nasty, judgemental, vindictive and pretty much hateful, is going to be allowed to live eternity around people of perfect character?? Really? ... you seriously think they'll fit right in, huh?!

You think the people that live with God are going to want to be around someone that doesn't forgive, that says hateful things??!! I'm pretty sure that's not how they want to spend their eternity. lol! The phrase "there goes the neighborhood" doesn't apply to heaven...

No, if you have not developed a Christ like nature in this life, you won't look like Him in the next. Because you won't be living with Him and those that are like Him.


657 posted on 08/11/2016 7:20:40 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper; MHGinTN; editor-surveyor; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; terycarl; af_vet_1981; ...
You obviously think the Lord was just joking here. I know metmom does. She's said more than once that there is no criteria for salvation.

You KNOW nothing. Mind reading is not permitted on the RF.

The be-attitudes were not just good suggestions. They are requirements. This emphasized in Matt 25:34+

Which not ONE. SINGLE. PERSON. in the entire history of the human race except for Jesus has ever met or ever can meet.

The problem is, it's not the good outweighs the bad nonsense. The standard of God is absolute perfect. ONE sin, and you have blown it.

It doesn't matter if one sin is all you ever commit in your entire life. That one sin is still enough to condemn you for eternity.

And we can't live the beatitudes because in them Jesus is dealing with the heart and there/s not a single one person on the planet who is also pure enough of heart with pure enough motives to produce works good enough to merit salvation.

Forgiveness is freely granted. Salvation is a GIFT of God, without cost or obligation.

Forgiveness, mercy, and grace can only exist where they are undeserved. The minute they become deserved because of works performed, they become wages due, putting God in obligation to mankind.

God owes mankind NOTHING.

A Christlike nature is the FRUIT of salvation, not something we strive for to ensure salvation. God judges by the heart, not the outward appearance. If He judged by the outward appearance, He'd have not condemned the Pharisees.

658 posted on 08/11/2016 8:10:06 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: StormPrepper
You're in for a real shock. Unfortunately.

Aren't we all!



"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

663 posted on 08/11/2016 11:00:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
You think the people that live with God are going to want to be around someone that doesn't forgive, that says hateful things??!! I'm pretty sure that's not how they want to spend their eternity. lol! The phrase "there goes the neighborhood" doesn't apply to heaven...

Oh?

I think you Mormons without a valid TR will get a RUDE awakening when you find out you'll be in 'heaven' with the likes of ME for Eternity!

664 posted on 08/11/2016 11:02:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper
... you'll be in 'heaven' with the likes of ME for Eternity!



HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.
Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.
Telestial - where unbelievers go
 
 
 
HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

 

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".


665 posted on 08/11/2016 11:03:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: StormPrepper; metmom; MHGinTN
You have to become "Christ like" in this life. Full of love and forgiveness in this life. Humble. That's why service is so important, it molds our character to be like Christ's character. You actually think someone that is rude, nasty, judgemental, vindictive and pretty much hateful, is going to be allowed to live eternity around people of perfect character?? Really? ... you seriously think they'll fit right in, huh?!

No, they would not, and if that is the characteristic fruit of their faith then it is not the faith that is counted for righteousness, (cf. Rm. 4:5,6) and renders one accepted in the Beloved, (Eph. 1:6) but a vain faith which will not save them. Biblical saving faith is that which trusts in the risen Lord Jesus to save them on His account, by His sinless shed blood, and not their own merits. (Ps. 34:18; Rm. 3:10-5:1; Titus 3:5; Eph. 2:8,9) But such faith effects characteristic obedience, with "things that accompany salvation," (Heb. 6:9) including repentance when convicted of not obeying God, while such as those who impenitently refuse to provide for their own have denied the faith. (1Tim. 5:8)

But the problem is that your "you have to become Christ like in this life" statement infers that one must attain to a state of perfection of character in order to enter Heaven, which is the damnable error of Rome with its purgatory to attain such. For while works justify faith as being salvific, and which faith is rewarded. (Heb. 10:35) yet holy character and works are not the actual cause of justification, though such are a necessary fruit if faith is to be considered true and salvific. We do not try to be Godly in order to be saved, but trust in the Lord Jesus Christ to save us, and He works in and thru us with fruits of the Spirit.

The Beatitudes describe the character of saving faith, but do not teach that unfailing conformity to them is required for salvation, nor any others standard for practical perfection. Certainly the Heaven-bound contrite criminal on the cross did not attain to this state, nor did the Heaven-bound apostle Paul. (Phil. 3:10) But which perfection he sought after, though he professed that he was already saved. (Phil. 1:23)

For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. (Philippians 1:23-24)

I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. (Philippians 3:14-15)

For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. (Philippians 3:20-21)

672 posted on 08/11/2016 1:35:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: StormPrepper
You have to become "Christ like" in this life. Full of love and forgiveness in this life. Humble. That's why service is so important, it molds our character to be like Christ's character.

You actually think someone that is rude, nasty, judgemental, vindictive and pretty much hateful, is going to be allowed to live eternity around people of perfect character?? Really? ... you seriously think they'll fit right in, huh?!

Nope...You will never be Christ like; sinless, in this lifetime...No one will...You (we) must be void of any sin when we appear before God..

It looks like you picked a few sins that you are currently not guilty of while avoiding mentioning the rest of them, perhaps to justify yourself in your perception of your own holiness...

What you seem to 'not get' is that we will be made sinless/perfect at the presence of God...In fact we are made sinless right now...

To think that when people get to heaven all they are going to do is change their clothes into something white is way off the mark...

I am one of the few here who agree with your assessment of the Beatitudes and Matt. 25 as proclaiming works requirements for salvation...

However, I beleive the rest of the bible as well...I also believe the rest of the bible including Eph. 2:8,9,10...And I will refer to a previous statement; things that are different are not the same...

Eph 2 and Matt. 25 do not say the same things...They say different things...They were written to and for different people in different times...Matt. is not written doctrinally for the New Testament church...

711 posted on 08/13/2016 10:26:29 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: StormPrepper

Regarding your position on works.....how many are needed? Do you do just those in Matthew 25? How do you know you’ve done them correct?


812 posted on 08/15/2016 4:19:22 PM PDT by ealgeone
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