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To: StormPrepper; MHGinTN; editor-surveyor; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; terycarl; af_vet_1981; ...
You obviously think the Lord was just joking here. I know metmom does. She's said more than once that there is no criteria for salvation.

You KNOW nothing. Mind reading is not permitted on the RF.

The be-attitudes were not just good suggestions. They are requirements. This emphasized in Matt 25:34+

Which not ONE. SINGLE. PERSON. in the entire history of the human race except for Jesus has ever met or ever can meet.

The problem is, it's not the good outweighs the bad nonsense. The standard of God is absolute perfect. ONE sin, and you have blown it.

It doesn't matter if one sin is all you ever commit in your entire life. That one sin is still enough to condemn you for eternity.

And we can't live the beatitudes because in them Jesus is dealing with the heart and there/s not a single one person on the planet who is also pure enough of heart with pure enough motives to produce works good enough to merit salvation.

Forgiveness is freely granted. Salvation is a GIFT of God, without cost or obligation.

Forgiveness, mercy, and grace can only exist where they are undeserved. The minute they become deserved because of works performed, they become wages due, putting God in obligation to mankind.

God owes mankind NOTHING.

A Christlike nature is the FRUIT of salvation, not something we strive for to ensure salvation. God judges by the heart, not the outward appearance. If He judged by the outward appearance, He'd have not condemned the Pharisees.

658 posted on 08/11/2016 8:10:06 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; StormPrepper; MHGinTN; editor-surveyor; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; terycarl; ...
Excellent...

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This eliminates every person ever born, except for those of us who were given the FREE GIFT of salvation in the church age...

There's not been a person born who will exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees...They obviously pick and chose which one of these statements applies to them (and none of them do except in a spiritual sense)...

So it's comical when these people run to Matt. 5 to show us how they got saved...

This is one that they constantly use that I particularly find humorous,,,

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Who is the judge??? Who's the officer??? And the prison is purgatory???

1Co_6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co_6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

We are the saints...We will do the judging...And we will even judge angels when we are in that realm...

And here's the funny one...

1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

So who's the judge??? No pope, cardinals, bishops, priests, deacons...Get the janitor...

659 posted on 08/11/2016 8:42:37 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom; StormPrepper; MHGinTN; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; terycarl; af_vet_1981
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>> “Which not ONE. SINGLE. PERSON. in the entire history of the human race except for Jesus has ever met or ever can meet.” <<

So, then Yeshua was just dangling the impossible to taunt us? Not the Yeshua I know.

>> “The standard of God is absolute perfect. ONE sin, and you have blown it.” <<

Not according to the Beloved apostle:

1John 1:

[4] And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

>> “Forgiveness is freely granted. Salvation is a GIFT of God, without cost or obligation.” <<

Nowhere does the word of Yehova say that.

John said that forgiveness is for those that confess their sin, repent of their sin, and walk it out in righteousness.

Yehova provided his definitions of sin and his path to righteousness: Torah.

His Son told us that that yoke is easy; did he lie?

Nicolaitans have “Christianity” in bondage. They lie from the pulpit every Sungod Day, and the sheep willingly accept these gilded untruths.

The truth is there in the word, for those that read it without Sungod bias. All of the Messianic writings from Matthew to Revelation, even with their translational flaws, tell us of his disciples, the Netzerim, following his Torah day by day, keeping his Sabbath, and his appointed times, and teaching all they encounter to do so.

Acts ch 15 explains the smooth path to learning, starting with the critical taboos for the newcomers, and telling them to hear Moses preached in their synagogue every Sabbath day, so that they may learn Yehova’s path to righteousness over time as the disciples themselves learned it.

Nowhere does the word say that grace will be offered undeservedly. To the contrary, the fate of the undeserved is exemplified many times but ignored in the teaching of the nicolaitans that control christianity.
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660 posted on 08/11/2016 9:08:39 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom
You KNOW nothing. Mind reading is not permitted on the RF.

[metmom]He didn't because it's NEVER works we do in the body that save us or *make us eligible* for salvation.

Your own words, nothing makes us eligible for salvation. It's not mind reading when I'm quoting you.

Which not ONE. SINGLE. PERSON. in the entire history of the human race except for Jesus has ever met or ever can meet.

The problem is, it's not the good outweighs the bad nonsense. The standard of God is absolute perfect. ONE sin, and you have blown it.


So instead of trying to understand the Lord's expectations, you think you can just ignore them and some how at the judgement you'll get a pass. Are you forgetting that God pronounced Job to be perfect before Him?

The atonement of Jesus Christ, which washes away our sins, makes it as if we never have sinned, as long as we repent. Jesus made it possible for us to meet that requirement.

A Christlike nature is the FRUIT of salvation, not something we strive for to ensure salvation.

This is completely opposite to the plan of God. What you're saying makes no sense. You also claim that salvation is instant, therefore by your own words a Christ like nature must also be instant. And that's ridiculous. Nobody just instantly over comes character flaws that they have developed over a life time. Are you honestly trying to claim that a person becomes "like a little child" the instant they say "I believe in Jesus"??? Really?

God is in fact, obligated to man. Absolutely. God is obligated because He has made covenants and given His word which He cannot break. We are His children and His obligation to us is of His own making.

You're contradicting yourself. You claim salvation is "freely" given with out obligation, but then claim we have to believe in Jesus. That in itself is an obligation on our part.
662 posted on 08/11/2016 10:21:43 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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To: metmom
A Christlike nature is the FRUIT of salvation, not something we strive for to ensure salvation. God judges by the heart, not the outward appearance. If He judged by the outward appearance, He'd have not condemned the Pharisees.

By God's Grace, Amen!

679 posted on 08/12/2016 6:06:36 AM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: metmom
The problem is, it's not the good outweighs the bad nonsense. The standard of God is absolute perfect. ONE sin, and you have blown it.

It doesn't matter if one sin is all you ever commit in your entire life. That one sin is still enough to condemn you for eternity.

About the types of people with standards like that.. They've got accounting books in their heads, always at the ready to make entries in the guilty column. And boy can they work up a list! I suppose everybody needs a hobby. Some of those freaks even have their own escape plans to sell.

A redeemer redeems because he doesn't play that game. The "balance" sheets are grotequestly unbalanced because it is man's definition of perfect that is the wacked out impossible standard. And all over the map, too.

God truly judges the heart. He'll see something noone else does. The never-ending sin checkboxes are the business of the other guy. If the Messiah says to you, "Let's go for some coffee. We can talk, okay?" Are you going to argue? And then he listens to you, and hears you with love and compassion, offers some suggestions...

Chains? What chains? How'd he make them fall off? Just like that? Like father like son. There's a reason he is the son of David.

These doctinal bloodbaths really ought to stop. The ones determined to tally their fellow posters' sins won't be invited to coffee.

731 posted on 08/13/2016 7:24:17 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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