Posted on 06/13/2016 5:06:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
"No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other." (St. Matthew 6: 24) ***
(1) Either John Paul II and all the Popes who came before him are right, by emphasizing the "absoluteness" of the Church's moral law and by classifying as a "very serious error" that the doctrine of the Church is only an "ideal"...
>>It would be a very serious error to conclude... that the Church's teaching is essentially only an "ideal" which must then be adapted, proportioned, graduated to the so-called concrete possibilities of man, according to a "balancing of the goods in question".
But what are the "concrete possibilities of man"? And of which man are we speaking? Of man dominated by lust or of man redeemed by Christ? This is what is at stake: the reality of Christ's redemption. Christ has redeemed us! This means that he has given us the possibility of realizing the entire truth of our being; he has set our freedom free from the domination of concupiscence. And if redeemed man still sins, this is not due to an imperfection of Christ's redemptive act, but to man's will not to avail himself of the grace which flows from that act. ...
In this context, appropriate allowance is made both for God's mercy towards the sinner who converts and for the understanding of human weakness. Such understanding never means compromising and falsifying the standard of good and evil in order to adapt it to particular circumstances. It is quite human for the sinner to acknowledge his weakness and to ask mercy for his failings; what is unacceptable is the attitude of one who makes his own weakness the criterion of the truth about the good, so that he can feel self-justified, without even the need to have recourse to God and his mercy. An attitude of this sort corrupts the morality of society as a whole, since it encourages doubt about the objectivity of the moral law in general and a rejection of the absoluteness of moral prohibitions regarding specific human acts, and it ends up by confusing all judgments about values.<<
John Paul II Veritatis Splendor August 6, 1993
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...or (2) Francis is right, by qualifying as "heretical" a rejection of the "Doctrine of the Ideal" as well as any affirmation of the absoluteness of moral prohibitions ('or this or nothing').
>>“This (is the) healthy realism of the Catholic Church: the Church never teaches us ‘or this or that.’ That is not Catholic. The Church says to us: ‘this and that.’ ‘Strive for perfectionism: reconcile with your brother. Do not insult him. Love him. And if there is a problem, at the very least settle your differences so that war doesn’t break out.’ This (is) the healthy realism of Catholicism. It is not Catholic (to say) ‘or this or nothing:’ This is not Catholic, this is heretical. Jesus always knows how to accompany us, he gives us the ideal, he accompanies us towards the ideal, He frees us from the chains of the laws' rigidity and tells us: ‘But do that up to the point that you are capable.’ And he understands us very well. He is our Lord and this is what he teaches us.”<<
Francis Homily at Santa Marta June 9, 2016
Who is right, Francis or the Church before Francis? - "It is a very serious error to conclude that the Church's teaching is only an 'ideal'."
When in doubt, pray and refer to Scripture. When not in doubt, pray and refer to Scripture. If you find a church of like minded folk who are on the journey, then God Bless.
In title of post, could you please change [Catholic Church] to [Catholic Caucus]?
Thanks
It seems choice #2 forces you to get rid of the doctrine of repentance, which is just the other side of the coin of belief. I have to ask, what does the [Catholic Church] designation mean? Is that the same as Catholic caucus? If so, I apologize for intruding and will humbly leave.
Who is right? Oh oh oh...God! He is right!
He wrote an instruction book, The Bible, The Word of God.
So when Francis and the church (any denomination including the Roman Catholic Church) say, teach, follow something different than what God wrote in His book, they are wrong because the Word of God is always right.
The list is pretty extensive of things the church teaches that are wrong because these things are contrary to God’s Word.
First rule: no more Jesuit Popes, ever.
Note absence of women, priests, and bishops on the left.
Better rule: No more Jesuits, ever.
So in other words, just scrap the Jesuit Order?
Bergoglio is a disgrace. His election was made possible by the wretched appointments made by JPII. Fortunately, JPII’s teaching was orthodox, so Bergoglio’s droolings are condemned by JPII’s own words.
Francis really isn’t Catholic is he?
Yes. They cannot be reformed. Their Constitutions are totally top-down, and the corruption at the top is total.
Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Galatians 1:8-9
8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. [9] As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
"For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated.
Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."
[Chapter Four of the Third Session]
"For the holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles."
[Chapter Four of the Fourth Session]
For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.
Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren [60].
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