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Who is right, Francis or the Church before Francis? - "It is a very serious error to conclude that the Church's teaching is only an 'ideal'."

1 posted on 06/13/2016 5:06:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 06/13/2016 5:07:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

When in doubt, pray and refer to Scripture. When not in doubt, pray and refer to Scripture. If you find a church of like minded folk who are on the journey, then God Bless.


3 posted on 06/13/2016 5:11:16 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (If Trump loses, America dies)
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To: ebb tide

It seems choice #2 forces you to get rid of the doctrine of repentance, which is just the other side of the coin of belief. I have to ask, what does the [Catholic Church] designation mean? Is that the same as Catholic caucus? If so, I apologize for intruding and will humbly leave.


5 posted on 06/13/2016 5:14:11 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: ebb tide

Who is right? Oh oh oh...God! He is right!

He wrote an instruction book, The Bible, The Word of God.

So when Francis and the church (any denomination including the Roman Catholic Church) say, teach, follow something different than what God wrote in His book, they are wrong because the Word of God is always right.

The list is pretty extensive of things the church teaches that are wrong because these things are contrary to God’s Word.


6 posted on 06/13/2016 5:18:10 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: ebb tide

First rule: no more Jesuit Popes, ever.


7 posted on 06/13/2016 5:27:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: ebb tide

Bergoglio is a disgrace. His election was made possible by the wretched appointments made by JPII. Fortunately, JPII’s teaching was orthodox, so Bergoglio’s droolings are condemned by JPII’s own words.


11 posted on 06/13/2016 5:51:47 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ebb tide

Francis really isn’t Catholic is he?


12 posted on 06/13/2016 5:55:46 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Don't argue with a Liberal. Ask him simple questions and listen to him stut)
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To: ebb tide

Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Galatians 1:8-9

8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. [9] As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.


14 posted on 06/13/2016 10:09:09 PM PDT by SGNA
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To: ebb tide
The Vatican Council (1869-1870)

"For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated.
Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding."
[Chapter Four of the Third Session]

"For the holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles."
[Chapter Four of the Fourth Session]

15 posted on 06/13/2016 10:12:16 PM PDT by SGNA
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