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1 posted on 04/26/2016 4:36:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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The argument would be that we are here to see the ONE TIME that everything did come together and lead to us.

the one dot on an infinite line.

Where’s my medical marijuana?


2 posted on 04/26/2016 4:42:20 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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3 posted on 04/26/2016 4:47:28 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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A week ago I was looking at the beauty of Sedona and had no problem discerning the works of God surrounding me.


4 posted on 04/26/2016 4:51:05 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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From desert cliff and mountaintop we trace the wide design,
Strike-slip fault and overthrust and syn and anticline. . .
We gaze upon creation where erosion makes it known,
And count the countless aeons in the banding of the stone.
Odd, long-vanished creatures and their tracks & shells are found;
Where truth has left its sketches on the slate below the ground.
The patient stone can speak, if we but listen when it talks.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.


There are those who name the stars, who watch the sky by night,
Seeking out the darkest place, to better see the light.
Long ago, when torture broke the remnant of his will,
Galileo recanted, but the Earth is moving still.
High above the mountaintops, where only distance bars,
The truth has left its footprints in the dust between the stars.
We may watch and study or may shudder and deny,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the sky.

By stem and root and branch we trace, by feather, fang and fur,
How the living things that are descend from things that were.
The moss, the kelp, the zebrafish, the very mice and flies,
These tiny, humble, wordless things---how shall they tell us lies?
We are kin to beasts; no other answer can we bring.
The truth has left its fingerprints on every living thing.
Remember, should you have to choose between them in the strife,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote life.

And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade,
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made,
Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand.
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.
Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed,
The truth has left its living word for anyone to read.
So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.

The more I learn about science, the more I believe in God. I cannot believe the universe exists and life exists by chance. That just doesn't work for me. I believe that cosmology and evolution are the mechanisms by which the Creator chose to bring the universe, and bring life to its current state. I believe scientists get closer over time to understanding these processes.

I regard the Bible as the best effort by men thousands of years ago to explain what happened - the start of that development of understanding.

And I believe God wants us to understand more and more over time. I am not sure if He wants us to understand everything - but if He doesn't, we won't. We'll reach the limits of our understanding.

This is just what I believe. I'm not saying it is right for anybody else. But the idea that to be a Christian, I have to reject science does not sit well with me - and if I believed that, I don't think I could be sitting here typing on a tool created by science.

The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.

5 posted on 04/26/2016 4:56:52 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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Modern science is based on the principle: ‘Give us one free miracle, and we’ll explain the rest.’ The one free miracle is the appearance of all the mass and energy in the universe and all the laws that govern it in a single instant from nothing.
~ Terence McKenna
6 posted on 04/26/2016 4:57:41 PM PDT by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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What? You mean nothing didn’t create everything? Who woulda thought it?

We observe biological life, yet no one can factually say that such life came from lifeless matter. We see that human beings have a moral sense of right and wrong. From whence did that arise? Certainly not from non-moral matter. We see that humans and animals have consciousness, with absolutely no evidence that such consciousness arose from non-conscious matter. We see that human beings are rational beings. There’s never been any evidence that such rationality arose from non-rational matter, nor intelligence from mindless matter, just as there’s no evidence whatsoever that an eternal creation came from temporary matter. We are driven to the conclusion that biological life, moral sense, consciousness, rationality, and intelligence arose from the eternal non-physical entity that created all things. This conclusion is based on “the most secure generalizations of all of science”!These are the very qualities the Bible attributes to God. He is eternal, non-physical, creative, intelligent, rational, conscious, and moral, and the Bible reveals these divine characteristics to us.


9 posted on 04/26/2016 5:12:26 PM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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God is real enough, but the big bang idea isn't.

The idea doesn't pass any sort of a basic sniff test for logic. Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes, nothing would ever "bang" its way out of that. Likewise for a supposedly omniscient God to, at some particular point in time determine that it would be cool to create a universe while the idea had never occurred to him in the semi-infinite expanse of time prior to that, is hugely problematical.

All of that is philosophy however. Halton Arp's findings are real. Arp has destroyed the entire basis for believing in an expanding universe or big bang by demonstrating a number of clear cases in which high and low redshift items are joined together and are part and parcel of the same things. That kills the entire idea of interpreting cosmic redshift as velocity and forces an understanding that it (resshift of cosmic objects) is intrinsic.

10 posted on 04/26/2016 5:23:45 PM PDT by ganeemead
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You’re not a freethinker if you are forbidden to think yourself into some particular conclusion. You might call yourself a freethinker, but free your thinking is not.


11 posted on 04/26/2016 5:31:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Yes, with time and chance, even science may eventually catch up to God’s Word.

Honest science, and scientists, already have. It's only the dishonest science from dishonest scientists that still hold on to their damnable lies.

14 posted on 04/26/2016 5:35:07 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi Torah and Science
15 posted on 04/26/2016 5:36:02 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHI)
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Science may come up with explanations for the Big Bang involving multiverses etc. The cosmos may be more than the visible universe, so deepening scientific understanding may happen but will not necessarily disprove an ultimate Creator, but just push the issue out further than the creation of the visible universe.


16 posted on 04/26/2016 5:37:36 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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bump


18 posted on 04/26/2016 5:39:34 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. --George Orwell)
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“In my experience it is something common among atheists: an inexplicable, incongruent and visceral hatred for the very God they imagine does not exist.”

Indeed, because atheists do believe in God, they just reject him.

True non-believers are the agnostics, for they simply admit ignorance on the question and then go about with their lives. Atheists, on the other hand, try to shame others into joining them in rejecting God, in order to have more company in their misery. They like to style themselves as logical, but constantly commit category errors and try to prove a negative, demonstrating that their appeals to logic are just a rationalization for what is really an emotional phenomenon.

Also, atheists are only commonly found in theistic societies. They don’t naturally exist outside of them, because they are only produced by rejecting theism. They have no belief system of their own besides the rejection of their parent culture’s belief system.


19 posted on 04/26/2016 5:45:49 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Svetlana Stalin, Josef Stalin’s daughter, on a BBC documentary about her God-hating father. She recounted his last act of defiant rebellion against the Creator: “[A]s Stalin lay dying, plagued with terrifying hallucinations, he suddenly sat halfway up in bed, clenched his fist toward the heavens once more, fell back upon his pillow, and was dead.”

“[H]is one last gesture,” observed Zacharias, “was a clenched fist toward God, his heart as cold and hard as steel.”

This perfectly follows the description of an atheist according to one Pentecostal minister.
An atheist may appear to intellectual not accept the existence of God.
Deep down, though, the atheist is shaking his fist defiantly toward Heaven, screaming “No, God!”
Reverend Richard Wurmbrand had speculated that the Communists, going back to Karl Marx, were influenced by the occult, which would then explain the rebellion against God.


25 posted on 04/26/2016 7:07:19 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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I am a Christian, and I remember reading an article in the NYT Magazine nearly 40 years ago about the challenge the Big Bang posed to materialist scientists.

Personally, I would far rather have a steady state universe, with stars appearing out of nowhere, sustained creation, but that theory seems to have fallen, and the eventual fate of the universe under the Big Bang theory is not comforting - enough matter for contraction and rebirth? Reincarnation? Or not enough matter- entropy, heat death?

My consolation is to leave it in God’s hands.


27 posted on 04/26/2016 7:10:06 PM PDT by heartwood (If you're looking for a </sarc tag>, you just saw it.)
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Great read. Love Ravi.


29 posted on 04/26/2016 9:52:40 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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“Yes, with time and chance, even science may eventually catch up to God’s Word.”

Too many in “science” and supporters of said field cannot hear or see the proof in front of them as they strive to adjust their lies while the proofs of their lies unfold. Many of these people I truly love and fear for.

Liars lie, as the heirs of their father, the Father of Lies, fists clenched while they proudly and willingly march into Hell. With kindness and love, many can be won over to the Truth, and that is our assignment.


33 posted on 04/27/2016 7:40:29 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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Dr. Hugh Ross and Reasons to Believe link. Eric Metaxas' citation was a synopsis of one of Hugh's many, many arguments for the incontrovertible existence of the personal God of the Bible, as demonstrated by now hundreds of discovered cases of fine-tuning for advanced life. See http://www.reasons.org/articles/rtb-design-compendium-2009.
34 posted on 04/27/2016 8:00:35 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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