The same half-dozen haters show up again and again.
The answers to all of your nattering so-called “questions” are readily available. But you never read or respond to authors like Staples. You come on this forum and post the same old same old anti-Catholic slurs, and ask the same stupid questions, hundreds and hundreds of times.
For 1500 years, no Christians believed the stupid notion that the saints in heaven are doorstops. No Christians believed that Jesus willed that the Scriptures were to be the TOTALLY EXHAUSTIVE compendium and description of Christianity. No one believed that a person could be saved while remaining an unrepentant grave sinner who merely honored Jesus with his lips. But these ugly, irrational notions were propagated by the fornicating, murdering heresiarchs Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.
Here is the absolutely central, fundamental belief of Protestantism: that Christ’s promise “I will be with you always, even unto the end of the world” meant “I will leave you adrift for 1,500 years, and then the Christian Faith will be discovered by a group of fornicating mass murderers.”
Ah, so the real problem you have is massive ego pushing deep ignorance. well, that’s good to finally get a handle on. I don’t suppose you are open to reasoning out some of these errors you so free grace the threads with? Jesus spoke to His disciples; can you tell us when the ‘end of the age’ arrives? Can you tell us how Jesus is ‘WITH’ the disciples? Can you admit that He said this for our benefit also? Can you see that to even have that saying FROM JESUS requires writing things down? ... Naw, I didn’t think you could.
Pot talks mighty loud.
Still can't address the translation of the DR in Genesis and Luke can you?
As always, you have nothing but bluster to offer.
The answers to all of your nattering so-called “questions” are readily available. But you never read or respond to authors like Staples. You come on this forum and post the same old same old anti-Catholic slurs, and ask the same stupid questions, hundreds and hundreds of times.
Is Staples the only guy who speaks for roman catholicism? And again...for the record. I've read his website and his apologetics are weak at best. The comical aspect of this is I've used his website to prove to catholics what they believe when they deny catholicism teaches this doctrine or that doctrine.
In fact, the catholic encyclopedia online and the catechism have all been beneficial to show catholics what they actually believe when they deny posts made by Christians.
I sometimes think I know more about catholic beliefs than a lot of catholics on this board!
For 1500 years, no Christians believed the stupid notion that the saints in heaven are doorstops. No Christians believed that Jesus willed that the Scriptures were to be the TOTALLY EXHAUSTIVE compendium and description of Christianity. No one believed that a person could be saved while remaining an unrepentant grave sinner who merely honored Jesus with his lips. But these ugly, irrational notions were propagated by the fornicating, murdering heresiarchs Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.
You have proof that 100% of Christians believed as you claim?
No one believed that a person could be saved while remaining an unrepentant grave sinner who merely honored Jesus with his lips. But these ugly, irrational notions were propagated by the fornicating, murdering heresiarchs Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.
Has anyone ever said anything about being unrepentant?
Here is the absolutely central, fundamental belief of Protestantism: that Christ’s promise “I will be with you always, even unto the end of the world” meant “I will leave you adrift for 1,500 years, and then the Christian Faith will be discovered by a group of fornicating mass murderers.
You must be talking about those wonderful popes roman catholicism's had.
You must be talking about the inquisition.
Shall we discuss pedophilia within the priesthood?
What in the world do they teach in catholic seminaries??
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18
• Augustine, sermon:
"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327
Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.
• Augustine, sermon:
For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)
• Augustine, sermon:
And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289
• Augustine, sermon:
Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95
• Augustine, sermon:
...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193
• Augustine, Psalm LXI:
Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)
• Augustine, in “Retractions,”
In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
Yes, I can see the haters have indeed shown up.
This is why Protestanism cannot be true. It has no divine authority. It has no apostolic origination or succession. It was founded illegitimately. That leaves one holy catholic apostolic church that is historical and found in abundance in every century since founded by the Jewish apostles with the Jewish Messiah as the chief cornerstone.
I have read and responded to authors like Staples...
No Christians believed that Jesus willed that the Scriptures were to be the TOTALLY EXHAUSTIVE compendium and description of Christianity.
The early church fathers stated numerous times that the scriptures are how Christian truth is to be determined...
No one believed that a person could be saved while remaining an unrepentant grave sinner who merely honored Jesus with his lips. But these ugly, irrational notions were propagated by the fornicating, murdering heresiarchs Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, etc.
Completely false...And no Protestant since those saints has ever made that claim either...
Here is the absolutely central, fundamental belief of Protestantism: that Christ’s promise “I will be with you always, even unto the end of the world” meant “I will leave you adrift for 1,500 years, and then the Christian Faith will be discovered by a group of fornicating mass murderers.”
YOu don't have a clue...Jesus is with us unto the end of the world in his written words as well as in the form of the Holy Spirit...
You don't really think that when Jesus said that, that he meant he would be with us in the form of a cracker do you???
Actually, those "ugly, irrational notions" were fabricated as an accusation against anyone who believes what Scripture tells us about salvation being by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ and are spread by Catholics on FR with predictable regularity - certain as the sun comes up.
It could very easily be considered bearing false witness as you could not find ONE born again believer who would ever say that or support that line of thinking.
Matter of fact, I've seen it refuted by born again believers time and again every single time it's brought back up from the pit that spawned that claim.
More ignorant or fallacious slander. Show where Luther was what you charge, and that he was a pope, and that RCs do not have popes who were what you charge. Search here before posting parroted propaganda, and here: REFORMATION FAITH + WORKS