Posted on 03/16/2016 10:08:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
I doubt that most Protestants are that Lutheran. That most Lutherans are that Lutheran.
What's the problem with that?? Adults with half a mind or less can understand what I just said.
Pope Francis says that the ongoing invasion of Europe by hordes of muslim men will be “good for Europe”.
The kindest explanation I can offer for his open support of this evil is that he is insane.
Isn’t he supposed to be a Defender of the Faith?
He is doing everything he can to revert society to a coarser era.
One idiotic move can be overlooked, such as the ludicrous support of the global warming hoax, but we all see a pattern here.
This man serves a master that most folks don’t know exists but influences our daily lives. That master is the One World Agenda.
It is not an evil act to identify evil.
And I’m not Lutheran whatsoever. I’m a traditional, sovereign grace believing Baptist.
Maybe I’m the only one, but I find his comments confusing. Especially the comment about the “profound evolution of dogma”. Maybe it is confusing because they are not whole quotes. Is he stating that there was a “profound evolution of dogma”?
Not without compromising the gospel there isn’t. Even in your attempt you left out vital elements—Grace and Christ. Any addition to grace, faith, or Christ nullifies the gospel. Read the apostle Paul. He said in Galatians that those who attempted to add even one thing—circumcision—should be damned to Hell. It was that essential.
The truth is there will be many who claim to be Evangelical or Protestant who will join your call for unity, but there will always be a remnant who simply can’t.
Is he? I'm not convincned that is what he is actually saying. It sounds to me that he is talking about things "after the Council". I don't see where he actually blames the Council.
Ecumenical Councils promulgated by legitimate authority *are* infallible. I'm just not sure that Benedict is actually admitting that the Council erred....or that errors have occurred in the wake of the Council. Those two things are not the same.
“Someone please tell me again why this pope had to resign?”
That upset me when he did. Even more so with Francis as pope!
Councils and popes are like football teams. There are those who move the football, those who don’t and those who lose ground. Trent moved the football, Vatican II lost ground. Yet its admirers don’t understand why the other team is celebrating.
He never should have stepped aside. Best Pope of the past 100 years.
No, just the least Modernist of the post-Vatican II bunch. Although I am quite willing to believe that this could be the beginning of a conversion to the pre-Vatican II Catholic Faith. I’m just not holding my breath.
Do you know the official Vatican II interpretation of "no salvation outside the church"? Are Benedict's recent statements in conflict with it?
That's not the point I was trying to make. I am not the one to decide ... obviously.
Conservatives are at least in part conservative because there is something we want to conserve. What is it that conservatives on FR want to conserve? Is it Judeo-Christianity in general? Is it some generic form of "conservative" or "orthodox" (and I don't mean Orthodox) Christianity? Or is it a specific form of Christianity like Catholicism or one of the branches of Protestantism?
There are some on FR that want us to ignore our religious differences in order to fight "the real enemy", i.e. liberals, socialists, etc. However, there are those that state that being a good Christian at all times trumps being a conservative. And being a good Christian means witnessing your particular beliefs, i.e. the belief that some Christians might be going to Hell because they chose the wrong form of Christianity.
It's a conundrum that appears to me to have no real solution. Perhaps you have some ideas on the subject.
So you're basically saying that a good number of the people on FR have less than half a mind.
Let's say that there are somewhere on the order of a million sentences that can be uttered that appear to state some position between those two extremes.
Let's say that what Benedict said was one of these million statements.
Now we're arguing about whether Benedict's statement and/or the decrees of Vatican II were closer to one extreme or the other.
That's not my point. My point, a point which everyone in this thread seems to be aggressively avoiding, is asking the simple question: What do we as political conservatives do going forward? Do we focus on evangelization at the expense of distancing ourselves from potential political allies, or do we behave more conciliatory in order to win the important political battles now, and put off any theological discussions for later.
Unlike myself, I get the impression that most here are political first (and it is my understanding that this website is primarily a political website which happens to have a religion sub-forum). I would answer your question that politics is irrelevant to saving our (and others') souls which should always be our first priority. There is no conundrum here. Having said that, my experience re: religious battles on this sub-forum (as a poster or as a lurker) has shown that more times than not such "debates" are futile and really just become a sling-fest. As a result, just as Christ taught his disciples, I have chosen to shake the dust off my feet when it comes to interacting with others in certain threads.
No....just SOME of the people.
Go up to a woman you know (of which the following is true) and tell her that she is intelligent, thoughtful, good-humored, a delight to be with, and physically unattractive. Then ask her if she would like to have lunch with you discussing the issues of the day.
I have a feeling she would come up with some reason she just can't make it to lunch.
Tell a fellow conservative that you agree with him on the 2nd Amendment, abortion, gay "marriage", etc. and that you also believe him to be going to Hell because he is not a baptized Catholic. Unless he is really magnanimous he's probably going to tell you to go jump in the lake.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
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