Posted on 03/16/2016 10:08:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
I agree with you re: Francis, but I think Genoa was referring to the danger for Benedict if he says too much especially why he (had to) resigned.
OK, but now how do we work with conservative Jews, Protestants, etc. to bring the US back toward its Constitutional roots?
What will the conversations be like? Something like this perhaps...
So we're all agreed that abortion is murder? Check.
We're all agreed that there is no such thing as gay "marriage"? Check.
We're all agreed that you Protestants and Jews are going to Hell unless you convert to Catholicism?
Huh? What? We don't all agree on that? Why are you all yelling at me and leaving?
I don’t believe for a second Benedict stepped down on his own accord.
I agree.
That's the whole point of the article. Benedict is suggesting that Vatican II went too far.
The way it was explained to me is that "no salvation outside the Church" meant that even non-Catholics could be saved just by the fact that the Church continued to exist and preach the truth. Somehow these non-Catholics would hear this truth, internally consent to it without joining the church, and would eventually end up in Heaven.
Benedict is suggesting this might not be helpful or correct. The original meaning of the saying "no salvation outside the church" meant you had to be baptized Catholic to be saved. That position was harsh, but it encouraged missionary zeal to save as many souls as possible, and it gave Catholics a good reason to be Catholic.
Check.
The Church is in deep doo doo, and its name is Francis.
Interesting. I didn’t know an ecumenical council called by proper authority could err.
By the way, would you say Orthodox are saved or going to hell?
I still consider Benedict the real Pope, not the current communist who serves the elites and maybe even Satan himself.
I’m still looking for the prohibition against global warming in the bible.
Pope Che is a bad man.
The conspiracy theory is that a cabal of leftists within the Vatican hierarchy plotted to get rid of Benedict because he stood firmly against their agenda. They plotted to get the current Pope to replace him because he is a radical leftist who will further their agenda.
Pretty sure this has been documented and is the conventional wisdom.
#29 “...the current communist who serves the elites and maybe even Satan himself.
I’m still looking for the prohibition against global warming in the bible.
Pope Che is a bad man.”
I’m sure Francis would not judge you as harshly as you judge him
Just lucid, unambiguous logic which causes no scandal, makes complete sense and reaffirms long-standing Catholic truth.
It feels like a cool spring of water to a man dying of thirst.
Francis does not judge any non-Catholics, whether they may be Protestants, Jews, schismatics, muslims or pagans. He only judges traditional Catholics with his endless insults.
Though we disagree on the papacy, Mary, purgatory, priesthood, Eucharist, imputation (and plenty more), I believe unity on some level would be possible were it not for the fact that the foundation of the division is over the nature of the Gospel of Jesus Christ itself. But because the Gospel itself is at stake, unity is impossible. In fact, it’s not biblical. When Rome believes and teaches that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, to the glory of God alone we will have something to discuss.
There are “big tent” and “pup tent” ways to formulate doctrine. I like this one: Faith alone saves, but the faith that saves is not alone.
Good one.
Well hey - I'm not the Pope, I do not have influence over millions of people, and I am not pushing a totalitarian, one world agenda on behalf of the global elites.
The bar, for him, is supposed top set a little higher for a valid reason.
Well, old age is a health issue. My guess is that he didn’t have the right helpers to do the heavy lifting that comes from time to time.
At least this a Pope is Catholic
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