Posted on 01/28/2016 3:14:07 PM PST by Read Write Repeat
https://youtu.be/XTP0j3p01Dg?t=6m21s
You’re missing the point of the video.
To a Jew, the KJV Old Testament isn’t the Hebrew bible. It isn’t a true translation. Several examples are made in this video prove that, but if you learned to read Hebrew, you could see that for yourself. There’s even a bunch of different online courses to learn Hebrew. Or you can pick up a book.
There are so many differences between the KJV Old Testament and the Hebrew bible (Tanakh).
So tell me one fundamental precept to Christian doctrine that is lost in the KJV. Just one. Screw it. Half of one. Takers?
Hey, as long as we all know who we get our tacos from: Heysoos! Es cool, no?
Well, my comment was addressing your comments, not the video itself.
We are not Jews, and our religion doesn’t require us to learn Hebrew or study the original text. Yet, we are able, with the KJV and commonly available study tools, to easily determine what was translated, even without learning Hebrew. That’s one of the reasons that, despite its antiquated language and some problematic choices in the translation, it is still one of the most widely used English translations.
Certainly, you’ll gain a deeper understanding by learning Hebrew, but I’m happy if people are reading the Bible in any language nowadays!
My previous experiences with them. They can’t cite any rules or guidelines that they apply in order to determine what parts of the Bible are “mistranslated”. Someone conducting a proper analysis would be able to lay out their method in such a way that others, who are independent of their biases, could also apply and then their results could be compared. The Mormons, at least in my experience, will not do that.
However, when you point out a direct inconsistency between some writing of Smith and the Bible, then suddenly they cite “mistranslation” as a way to avoid the contradiction. So it is apparent that they are not following any proper method of determining whether a text was translated properly or not, and then using that method to ferret out bad parts of the translation. Instead, they are applying an ad hoc rule, after the fact, to avoid confronting contradictory texts.
I don't see why any Orthodox Jew would take issue with that.
I'm afraid you aren't thinking this through very clearly. You are conflating the Rabbanite/Qara'ite dispute with the Catholic/Protestant situation. They are two very different things.
For one thing, the authentic Written Torah has no vowels or punctuation of any kind. The vowels and punctuation found in printed Hebrew Bibles come from the Oral Tradition--not just the marks themselves, but how the words are to be correctly vocalized. Without this information the Written Torah is simply unreadable.
For another, the authentic Written Torah is written down in accordance to numerous rules pertaining not only to the identity of the letters, but their size, shape, crowns, the spaces among them, etc. None of these laws which guarantee that a Torah Scroll is authentic and kosher can be found in the Written Torah. Without these unwritten laws handed down by word of mouth from G-d on Sinai no Torah Scrolls would have ever been copied and the the Written Torah would have come to an end once those actually written by Moses at G-d's dictation decayed.
You've really got to stop reading the Protestant/Catholic argument into situations where it simply has no place.
Oh Noez. Stop messing with me. : )
“Take five minutes and watch the video.”
I did and others from him. Nothing in the video goes against what I said. The KJV is a flawed translation. All translations of the Bible are imperfect. It is a splendidly rendered version, however, overall in terms of the beauty of the language.
And?
Read Write Repeat, you might argue that the commandment to write and perpetuate Torah is written in Devarim (Deuteronomy). But how would it have been so accurately copied and kept for thousands of years to this day?
Have human beings been so good at keeping all of the commandments? No. Of course not—not even some of the earliest and best.
So it was a miracle. How was such a miracle carried out to this day? Could it be that the Jewish people were chosen, among other important burdens, to keep it so long and to this day, even through many horrible obstacles against doing so? Well, yes. It’s also written in the Prophets.
Then, Oral Law. The people chosen to protect and carry Torah through, oh, maybe nearly 300 generations do the teaching. Newcomers wanting so much to follow do the learning. A university education is not enough.
One must become a master of an ancient way of life and tradition in the very old sense before teaching or adding new knowledge. I’ve seen with my own eyes, physical feats of strength (even though originally developed by pagans) that few people would believe possible from human beings. No magic involved there, but physical feats possible only through many years of extreme focus, analysis and practice—feats impossible for rebellious students to learn and accomplish.
So I ask again, what fundamental Christian doctrine is removed from the KJV? Or ESV for that matter, or any other translation using a majority text principle?
ZERO. Say it with me. You can do it: ZERO.
If you want to have a serious discussion on the different movements within Judaism, more than happy to do so. Would be a wonderful break from what’s currently going on in this forum.
However, not the point of this thread. I am constantly asked by Christians this particular question regarding the KJV OT — that’s what the video is about. I specifically chose to link at the point in the video where this is discussed instead of right at the beginning where Gordon is explaining what a Karaite is so that we didn’t get into this discussion.
I don’t have issues with Noahides or the Noahide movement. I’m a Jew and I’m very supportive of people who recognize HaShem (again, I don’t hyphenate because even the JPS Tanakh doesn’t hyphenate and I use HaShem this out of respect for other Jews).
That said, Noahide isn’t Judaism. It’s a creation by the Chasidic movement for non-Jews. “Noahide Karaite” is an oxymoron, and made up by the author. He wants to make an argument for Oral Law, that’s fine for him. There are many Talmud opinions I agree with. If something in Talmud or Rashi’s commentary or the Zohar or whatever written by man disagrees with written Torah, I’m going to default to the written Torah.
Free will of the mind given to us by our Creator. You see this in different Jewish movements. You even see this in the different sects of Orthodox Judaism, like Open Orthodoxy and the Chasid sect that screams Torah, Sephardic and Ashkenazi. Then Karaites and Reconstructionist and Conservative. The Zionist Jews and the anti-Zionist Jews (shocker, I know, but there are definitely Orthodox who are anti-Zionist). The differences in opinion and practice don’t matter to me.
What does matter is that they are all Jews part of the Nation of Israel. Not just the physical state, but the NATION. A nation held together in spite of differences and overcoming every single odd thrown at them because there is one big common thread holding it all together: one God. ONE. And His Torah. The covenant stands through the ages and it will never be broken. No man can come between God and Jew.
‘Ekev 8.1 You shall faithfully observe all the Instruction that I enjoin upon you today, that you may thrive and increase and be able to possess the land that LORD promised on oat to your fathers.
This is constantly reinforced in the Torah and throughout the Tanakh.
The order of the books are different. Multiple chapters and verses were changed.
Don't insult me like that. I made no such comparison, nor did I take the side of either. I have zero interests in reforming the Orthodox movement. They're doing it just fine on their own.
Don’t blame me. ;)
And Jews don’t read the KJV Old Testament. It’s not the Tanakh. That’s the point!
If you want to know the truth, you read the Tanakh in Hebrew. Everything else is false.
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