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To: marshmallow

IMHO it kinda conflicts with the 2nd commandment.


3 posted on 12/20/2015 2:48:11 PM PST by FES0844
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To: FES0844

If it is a result of a natural scientific process, even if that is something we don’t understand, it is not a graven image made by someone to be worshipped. It is more like a photograph or a negative.


5 posted on 12/20/2015 2:51:12 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: FES0844

The Second Commandment prohibits giving any creature the worship that is due to God alone.

Nobody worships the Shroud.


7 posted on 12/20/2015 2:54:18 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: FES0844

“IMHO it kinda conflicts with the 2nd commandment.”

Nothing God does conflicts with any of His commandments. He has approved of images in the past: 1 Kings 6:23 that were MAN MADE.


29 posted on 12/20/2015 4:27:18 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: FES0844

Regarding the 2nd Commandment. I think that the Shroud of Turin is a legitimate artifact. It does NOT affect my faith in Jesus and His sacrifice for my and our salvation.

For anyone to base their Christian faith on whether or not the Shroud is the burial shroud of Jesus, is totally misplaced.

I “believe in it” in the same manner that I believe that the coat of Abraham Lincoln was wearing when he was assassinated is “the real thing.” or when I saw the first Sherman tank that rolled into Bastogne at the head of Patton’s breakthrough is the actual tank, based upon its serial number. All of those are physical things to be known but not to be prayed to or to base one’s faith upon.


47 posted on 12/21/2015 6:58:12 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: FES0844

While that may be your opinion. It does not represent a rejection of the 2nd Commandment. Those commandements are still valid but the 2nd commandment is more about having false Gods as Idols. This was given before God revealed Himself in the Peron of Jesus Christ. The Incarnation of Christ means that God has revealed his true image in the Person of Jesus CHrist, who was a Divine Person with both a Divine Nature and Human Nature. To reject Icons and sacred art was rejected as the Inconoclast Heresy, which was condemned at the Council in 787 of 2nd Nicea, and this is of course 730 years before Luther and Calvin. So even the most strident FR Protestant on this site can’t assign this Doctrinal Definition as part of the Council of Trent which ended in 1564.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum07.htm


61 posted on 12/23/2015 7:43:58 AM PST by CTrent1564
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