No there were definitely non-Jews in the Jewish temples of Jesus' time.
No. Apparently you’re confusing me with another person here. Look at post 93 or 100. I didn’t post either one of those posts.
In post #50, you said there were no non-Jews in the Jewish temple of Jesus' time. In post#81, you said post #50 was absolutely correct to answer another poster. No it wasn't.
That won’t help your claim. Here are the reasons why: 1) Since I never made a claim about no non-Jews in the Temple when Jesus chased out the money changers this makes no difference in any case. What I posted is still 100 % true.
No, in post #50, you said there were no non-Jews in the temple when Jesus took a whip to them.
2) Nothing in Revelation actually suggests that there were non-Jews in the Temple on the day Jesus chased out the money changers anyway - which would be immaterial in any case since I never brought up that as an example of anything.Irrelevant - for three reasons: 1) You have presented no evidence they were in the Temple during Jesus’ days on earth. The Book of Revelation was written decades later. 2) The idea that they were literally non-Jews rather than poor examples of Jews is simply erroneous.
You're Catholic and so you follow the traditions of man which make void the Word of God. You don't study the bible enough to know what happened to the temples from the time of the Judges to the time of Jesus. You need to do a study on the Nethanims. The Nethanims are descended from those God told the Israelites to absolutely wipe out but the Israelites didn't when they entered the promised land. They are not Israelites. They are not Jews, not Levites, not Benjamites, the three tribes that should have been in the temple. So you're wrong coming out the gate. Levites were supposed to be the temple priests, not Jews to begin with. Anyway, Nethanims started out doing menial jobs for the Levites at the temples, being scribes, woodcutters, etc. Over the centuries, they took over as priests. When some of the Israelites returned from the Babylonian captivity, there was not one Levite to be priests at the temple, they were all Nethanims, which are foreigners as I said. During the Captivity, Edomites took over Judaeah. Edomites are descended from Esau, who mixed his seed with Canaanites and Ishmaelites. When the Edomite priests told Jesus they were of Abraham, they were, descended from Esau, but they were not Israelite, and therefore of course not Jews. According to God's law, there should have been no Jew as a priest, just Levites, but they weren't even Levites they were Nethanims and Edomites. That's who Jesus took a whip to.
3) Even if there were non-Jews there it would be irrelevant because my point was about St. Paul INVADING the temples of pagans not non-Jews being in the Jewish Temple. In other words, your example from Revelation - which is absolutely not helpful to the case you’re trying to make - is actually about something that is the exact opposite of what I was talking about. And that is still irrelevant even if true since it was a JEWISH Temple and not a pagan one. First of all, that’s not what I said. I said nothing about “going againstâ€. I said that St. Paul did not invade the temples of pagans. And he didn’t. And Jesus didn’t either. I never claimed to be Jesus. What I said is still 100% correct. Jesus did not invade a pagan temple. St. Paul did not invade a pagan temple.
In post #50, you told another poster his Jesus example did not involve non-Jews. That is absolutely incorrect.
“No there were definitely non-Jews in the Jewish temples of Jesus’ time.”
As I stated before: That’s irrelevant since it was a JEWISH TEMPLE.
Jesus was not invading pagan temples. Your insistence that there were non-Jews in the Temple doesn’t mean anything since it wasn’t a pagan temple. IT WAS A JEWISH TEMPLE. Again, what part of that do you not understand?
“You’re Catholic and so you follow the traditions of man which make void the Word of God.”
Gee, no bias in that comment, huh?
“You don’t study the bible enough to know what happened to the temples from the time of the Judges to the time of Jesus.”
Actually, I probably no more about it than you ever will. Not only have I studied that era in detail in scripture but I have read other books about it as well. The history of the Temple has always fascinated me. Have you ever read G.K. Beale’s The Temple and the Church’s Mission? I read it 6 years ago this week. (I only know that because when I go to Amazon to get the link to it it tells me when I purchased it): http://www.amazon.com/Temple-Churchs-Mission-Biblical-Theology/dp/0830826181/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 I have a very large library of Bibles, Study Bibles, Bible commentaries, monographs and so on related to scripture. It would not be smart for anyone to presume I have not studied the Bible in detail.
“You need to do a study on the Nethanims. The Nethanims are descended from those God told the Israelites to absolutely wipe out but the Israelites didn’t when they entered the promised land.”
Perhaps you mean the Nethinim. Please note the modern correct spelling. And, by the way, no “s” is required to make it a plural. That may have been in fashion in 1611, but it isn’t now. Also, if you’re using the Nethinim for some sort of point, it won’t work.
“So you’re wrong coming out the gate.”
No, actually what I said is still 100% correct. After all the situation would have to be reversed to apply to the situation at hand. And it isn’t. It’s just that simple. Remember, this was never about non-Jews in the Temple - of which there were effectively none at the time of Jesus in any of the Jewish worship areas. It was a Jewish Temple. It was NOT a pagan temple being invaded by Jesus or St. Paul. Thus, what I said is still 100% correct.
You then posted a long comment about the Nethinim, but, of course, none of that matters since it has no bearing whatsoever on the actions of Jesus or St. Paul since neither of them invaded a pagan temple.
“In post #50, you told another poster his Jesus example did not involve non-Jews. That is absolutely incorrect.”
False. In post #50 you’ll see the example given was about Jesus and the money changers. They were not pagans in a pagan temple. Thus, in any case what I said was absolutely correct. Your example MUST BE about Jesus or St. Paul INVADING a pagan temple to interrupt the worship of pagans. Do you have one? There is no such example recorded in history. And the Nethinim don’t qualify since they were not around at the time of Jesus or St. Paul and they were not in a pagan temple having their worship interrupted by Jesus or St. Paul.
Logic.