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1 posted on 10/30/2015 11:11:35 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

This paragraph is also worth posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2327607/posts?page=13#13

“On my Catholic education:

8 years Catholic grade school

4 years Catholic high school

Extra (optional) weekly CCD classes by quite conservative Novus Ordo RCC priest

Parents subscribed to National Catholic Register, the Wanderer, Fidelity and The Remnant, and I read them while growing up.

My parents fought the Novus Ordo modernism tooth and nail and are now in an Eastern Rite church - I would politely challenge you to ask them if they considered me to be inadequately catechized.

I subscribed to Fidelity and Remnant in undergrad college and never stopped contending against modernism in the Catholic Church.”


2 posted on 10/30/2015 11:14:33 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
The Reformers gained this clarity from keeping with a simple principle: sola scritpura, or, Scripture alone.

"clarity" is an odd term for it... since the Bible doesn't teach "sola Scriptura", anywhere. Not even close.

Care to try again?
3 posted on 10/30/2015 11:17:44 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: fishtank
At a time when our country is facing a grave existential threat from Islam because moderate Islam is ancient Islam, we ought to consider that modern America is modern America because Martin Luther gave us the Reformation.

The idea advanced by Martin Luther that any man could communicate directly with his Creator on equal access basis with any other man without the intercession of the church, an institution which had sanctified the medieval secular hierarchy over men, was indispensable to the Declaration of Independence.

If no Martin Luther, no Declaration of Independence, at least not by the path we came to it, and no concept that All Men Are Created Equal. This was a revolution in the epistemology of the world and nailing 95 thesis to a church door was absolutely indispensable to getting here.


4 posted on 10/30/2015 11:29:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: fishtank

No Protestant Reformation, no endless views of Christianity.


6 posted on 10/30/2015 11:47:32 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: fishtank

October 31. The day the ghouls come out. It’s also Halloween I hear.


8 posted on 10/30/2015 12:38:45 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: fishtank; Jim Robinson
I guess you missed the memo from Jim Robinson regarding the constant Catholic bashing.

Or do you consider accusing Catholics of the Desecration of Christ just good natured chatter?

65 posted on 10/30/2015 8:32:44 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: fishtank; All

It is interesting and very telling that when in the book of Revelation Jesus Christ gives His all important and encompassing messages to the the seven churches, many in fault and some doing well, He says absolutely nothing about a central church that the Churches were suppose to be all importantly answering to. He says nothing about a Pope, His mother Mary being central to salvation or saying, as to the Catholics, the all important rosary, praying to saints, no nothing at all that alludes to their even being the organization of the Catholic Church or even anything remotely resembling it. He says nothing about the importance of adhereing to many central major doctrines of the CC today. There wasn’t an orginized Catholic Church or it could not have gone without mention as it would have been viewed as all important as the Catholics today think it is.


111 posted on 10/31/2015 7:42:17 PM PDT by Bellflower (It's not that there isn't any evidence of God, it's that everything is evidence of God.)
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To: fishtank
The wicked man you venerate published a seven point plan that was the blueprint for the Holocaust his countrymen looked to and implemented almost four centuries later.

    What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
  1. First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
  2. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
  3. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)
  4. Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
  5. Fifth, I advise that safe­conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).
  6. Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.
  7. Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.


* * *

But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.

* * *

Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:

First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.

* * *

I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated. "

173 posted on 11/17/2015 5:46:01 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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Luther's hatred of the Jews violated the Second Greatest Commandment, the violation of which is the root of all antisemitism. People imagine themselves to be spiritual brethren of the Messiah and hate the children of Jacob, the physical brethren of the Messiah. They even imagine this hatred is pleasing to God, willfully or blindly ingnorant that To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? ] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Leviticus, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses seventeen to eighteen,
Matthew, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses sixteen to nineteen,
Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty five, Protestant verses thirty one to forty six,
Mark, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses twenty nine to thirty four,
First John, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses three to four,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
bold emphasis mine

174 posted on 11/17/2015 6:10:11 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: fishtank

“Reformation Reminders: Rome & Her Desecration of Christ “

I thought FR banned these toxic types of threads?


191 posted on 11/20/2015 6:29:03 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Hillary as president?!; Yeah right!)
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