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Vatican’s firing of gay priest puts “Who am I to Judge” to the test
Catholic Vote ^ | October 3, 2015 | Stephen White

Posted on 10/03/2015 4:47:51 PM PDT by NYer

Today, on the eve of the Synod on the Family, a Polish priest who works–or rather, worked–in the Vatican decided to announce that he’s gay and has a partner. In an interview with “Corriere della Sera,” Msgr. Krzystof Charamsa said:

I want the Church and my community to know who I am: a gay priest who is happy, and proud of his identity. I’m prepared to pay the consequences, but it’s time the Church opened its eyes, and realised that offering gay believers total abstinence from a life of love is inhuman.

Msgr. Krzystof Charamsa

Set aside, for a moment, that celibacy does not preclude a life of love (just ask Jesus). And set aside for a moment the fact that celibacy is something every Christian is called to for at least part of his life, while married love is the vocation only of some. And set aside the fact that Msgr. Krzystof seems to have no regard whatsoever for the vow of celibacy he took as a priest, a vow which he took freely and which had nothing whatsoever to do with his sexual proclivities.

Setting all this aside, could it perhaps be the case that this episode involving Msgr. Charamsa could finally put to rest the standard media interpretation of Pope Francis’ most famous, or infamous, words: “Who am I to judge?”

This was a story the media loved to tell: Here, finally, was a Pope who didn’t think the gay lifestyle was incompatible with being a good Christian. Here is a Pope who doesn’t judge others for who they love! Here was a Pope who could evolve on gay marriage. (Just like Obama!)

This was always a fantasy. Pope Francis insisted–because he’s a faithful son of the Church–that we owe our respect and love to everyone. He insisted that we should not hold the past sins of those who have repented against them. Pope Francis made it clear that homosexual attraction does not prevent someone from being a good and faithful Christian. But he also warned against turning one’s temptations into a “lobby.”

Just as a refresher, here’s Pope Francis’ use of “Who am I to judge” in its full context:

But if a person, lay or priest or Sister, has committed a sin and then has converted, the Lord forgives, and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is important for our life. When we go to confession and truly say: “I have sinned in this,” the Lord forgets and we don’t have the right not to forget, because we run the risk that the Lord won’t forget our [sins]. That’s a danger. This is important: a theology of sin. I think so many times of Saint Peter: he committed one of the worst sins, which is to deny Christ, and with this sin he was made Pope. We must give it much thought.

“If a person is gay and seeks the Lord…”

But, returning to your more concrete question: in this case, I’ve done the investigatio previa and we found nothing. This is the first question. Then you spoke of the gay lobby. Goodness knows! So much is written of the gay lobby. I still have not met one who will give me the identity card with “gay”. They say that they exist. I think that when one meets a person like this, one must distinguish the fact of being a gay person from the fact of doing a lobby, because not all lobbies are good. That’s bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge him? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this in such a beautiful way, it says, Wait a bit, as is said and says: “these persons must not be marginalized because of this; they must be integrated in society.”

The problem isn’t having this tendency, no. We must be brothers, because this is one, but there are others, others. The problem is the lobbying of this tendency: lobby of the avaricious, lobby of politicians, lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This, for me, is the more serious problem.

The line, “Who am I to judge,” was a response to a hypothetical situation

In the case of Msgr. Charamsa, the hypothetical has become concrete, with one crucial difference. Here is a priest who openly rejects the Church’s teaching on human sexuality, has willingly (and, apparently, proudly) violated his vow of celibacy, and who, rather than asking mercy for the things he has done wrong, is lobbying for their justification.

Not surprisingly, Msgr. Charamsa has been relieved of his duties at the Vatican, with possible further discipline from his ordinary.

Here is the statement from Fr. Lombardi of the Holy See press office:

With regard to the declarations and interview given by Msgr. Krzystof Charamsa it should be observed that, notwithstanding the respect due to the events and personal situations, and reflections on the issue, the decision to make such a pointed statement on the eve of the opening of the Synod appears very serious and irresponsible, since it aims to subject the Synod assembly to undue media pressure. Msgr. Charamsa will certainly be unable to continue to carry out his previous work in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Pontifical universities, while the other aspects of his situation shall remain the competence of his diocesan Ordinary.

God meets us where we are, but that does not mean that we set the terms for our own discipleship. Msgr. Charasma isn’t being fired for being attracted to men. He’s not being fired for being a sinner. He’s being fired for turning his personal failings into a cause célèbre–precisely the thing Pope Francis warned against when he said, “Who am I to judge.”

Hopefully the sad case of Msgr. Charamsa will remind us of this, and put to rest the tired narrative that “Who am I to judge” signaled the triumph of moral relativism over the Church’s teachings on human sexuality.

In the meantime, pray for the Church, the Synod, and the Holy Father. And pray for our brother, Msgr. Charamsa, who faces a difficult road ahead.

Jesus cross


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To: NYer


He had to go, sure -

But you have to admit, without this fellow's flair

fag photo: fag 1115082035-2.jpg

The Vatican will lose a little - shall we say - charamsa.

21 posted on 10/03/2015 6:45:18 PM PDT by golux
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To: WENDLE

I am afraid many have been blinded, by God, actually. Scripture speaks of this. God can call us and call us, but when we are not obedient to his call, hearts are hardened, ears can be tickled and we are finally blinded, so that we can not see. Pray that we can stand. The Lord Himself wondered aloud if upon his return, “...would their be *any* faith”. Shepherds can be wolves, sadly.


22 posted on 10/03/2015 7:06:52 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: FatherofFive

While this premise is quite true, we are called to admonish the sinner. It is one of the Corporate Virtues, found in any missal. Grant it, the admonishment is to be with sincerity and in love, for the salvation of the human soul.


23 posted on 10/03/2015 7:10:47 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Why would that be a factor— your pay grade? We are taught well, and we act on these teachings as the people of God.


24 posted on 10/03/2015 7:13:42 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: RitaOK

You can go ahead and cast the first stone. Just don’t ask me to.


25 posted on 10/04/2015 3:52:12 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: golux

Is that the priest?


26 posted on 10/04/2015 5:50:56 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: NYer

To quote Ed Morrisey: “the homosexual priest was not CELIBRATE.”


27 posted on 10/04/2015 6:22:58 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: RitaOK

“Shepherds can be wolves, sadly”
Well spoken. Many “Shepherds” blind their sheep with false motivation for “salvation”, like giving the Shepherd, in the name of God, money when God already owns everything.


28 posted on 10/04/2015 8:35:53 AM PDT by WENDLE (Let Russia Fight ISIS !! Who cares??)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I am not recommending casting stones, idiot.

Would you not cast advice to a child playing in the street?

If not, would you weakly whine that it’s really none of your business, the child is not yours, therefore your self-righteous pose means you don’t have to care if they live or die?

The Christian faith, doubtful you are aware, teaches the spiritual works of mercy from example, that we are to counsel the doubtful, instruct the ignorant, TO ADMONISH SINNERS, comfort the afflicted, forgive offenses, bear patiently the troublesome, and pray for the living and the dead.

It is merciful to want to save a soul, where possible, and do so because we care. Of course it doesn’t always bear fruit. The child may go back into the street to sit and play, or the atheist continue in his sinful gay behavior, but we try.

At least most of the civilized do warn, and comfort and try. Is that so foreign to a Christian way of life???


29 posted on 10/04/2015 3:19:43 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: NYer
The “who am I to judge” quote from Pope Francis is constantly being pushed around out of context. They’re leaving out the most important part…

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

One who is gay and is searching for the Lord is more than likely living a celibate lifestyle. I only wish he had included “… is repentant …” or something like that. Maybe then people would see what he’s really getting at.

30 posted on 10/05/2015 6:18:18 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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