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1 posted on 10/02/2015 9:53:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 10/02/2015 9:57:25 AM PDT by struggle
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Christ answers, “Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” The Christian church, both Catholic and Protestant, has faced a similar temptation to turn stone into bread in the form of socialism.

Excellent analogy, and I have not heard put in this most appropriate context before. Great post SeekAndFind, and thanks.


3 posted on 10/02/2015 9:59:54 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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This article is missing a key detail. It is not Christianity itself which convinces people to adopt socialism, but rather a slavish devotion to church bureaucracy. This is exhibited not only by the Catholic Church, but also many of the liberal Proteatant “churches”: a splintering of the church is viewed as the greatest sin in these pretenders’ eyes. These churches are also the ones which heavily promote their irresponsible charity through the church bureaucracy, keeping welfare queens alive so that they may vote Democrat.


4 posted on 10/02/2015 10:01:46 AM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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Thank you! Excellent commentary.

"Socialist Christians seek to punish, not change, those whom they believe are not willing enough. In seeking power in the guise of spiritual change, they violate not only a separation of church and state but place their own political goals over their spiritual calling.

In Fyodor Dostoevsky’s “The Brothers Karamazov,” Ivan relates a fictional story to his brother. It posits that Christ refused the Devil’s temptation to create bread from stone so humanity could remain free, and that by doing so Jesus made freedom the ultimate gift from God because man would happily enslave himself for free bread.

“So, in the end, they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us: ‘Enslave us, but feed us!’ And they will finally understand that freedom and the assurance of daily bread for everyone are two incompatible notions that could never co-exist!”

Christ may have been able to turn stone into bread or feed 5,000 with three loaves and two fish, but the state is no miracle worker. Any time the state embarks on a miraculous quest, it is always an act of power, not faith or charity." - Peter Marshall


6 posted on 10/02/2015 10:03:45 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Luke 12
13Someone in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the family inheritance with me.” 14But He said to him, “Man, who appointed Me a judge or arbitrator over you?” 15Then He said to them, “Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions.”…


7 posted on 10/02/2015 10:07:45 AM PDT by the_daug
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I’m not the least bit surprised by the Pope’s criticism of capitalism. Having deployed to Latin America rather frequently, I’ve seen liberation theology, as practiced by very liberal Catholic priests who fervently believed in the hollow promises of socialism. The things they were willing to do or overlook in the pursuit of socialism were truly disturbing.

Socialism, as explained by its true adherents, looks wonderful from afar and in theory, even to Christians. Up close, it’s pretty damned ugly.


8 posted on 10/02/2015 10:08:32 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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Its a human thing; humans are forever looking for an earthly king.

That is what socialism is. It presents itself as democratic but it provides people with an earthly king they can see and touch. It provides people with an earthly someone they can focus their hopes on and lay blame on.

Christ offers the Creator of the Universe as your king but people demand the mess of pottage.


10 posted on 10/02/2015 10:43:22 AM PDT by marron
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When asked by the rich man how he could get into heaven, Jesus answered, “Sell everything you have; give the money to the poor; and follow me.”

What he did NOT say was “Establish a progressive system of taxation so you can redistribute wealth to those who make less.”

There’s a big difference between performing acts of charity yourself, and making believe the government will do it for you.


13 posted on 10/02/2015 10:56:40 AM PDT by fruser1
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I think socialism and Marxism are fundamentally un-Christian, and it has little to do with possessions or income. God recognizes man as a free moral agent, free to accept God’s lordship over his life, and free to reject him.

Socialism and Marxism do NOT recognize man as a free moral agent. Any time any person stands in the way of what the State wants, that person’s rights, property and everything else is swept aside in favor of the state’s wishes.

That being true, I view the ideologies of socialism, Marxism, etc., as being utterly and hopelessly evil.


14 posted on 10/02/2015 11:01:56 AM PDT by RatRipper (The biggest threat to US national security is our government and those in it.)
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Christ answers, “Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

HE continued...

...I could do that, but my followers can't.

Someone has to plow the field, plant the seed, get rid of the weeds, chase away the birds, pray for rain, cut down the crop, thresh the grain, store the grain, build storehouse for the grain, grind the grain, build an oven, get fuel for the oven, make the dough, and, finally, bake the bread.

15 posted on 10/02/2015 11:34:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Socialism is incompatible with God-created human nature, God-given natural rights and the Biblical concept of justice.Christianity believes that the Bible encourages a system of private property and individual responsibilities and initiative (Is.65:21-22;Jer.32:43-44; Acts 5:1-4;Eph. 4:28).


16 posted on 10/02/2015 11:34:32 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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20 posted on 10/02/2015 11:39:09 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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Any time the state embarks on a miraculous quest, it is always an act of power, not faith or charity.
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil - Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)

The absurdity of the “Great Society” was that Johnson was running for POTUS, not God - and government is not society. The difference between “society” and “government” is freedom

24 posted on 10/02/2015 5:45:33 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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