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Pope Francis: Women priests? “NO.”
WDTPRS ^ | 9/28/15 | Fr John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 09/29/2015 3:00:28 AM PDT by markomalley

Women don’t have the capacity to receive the sacrament of holy orders because they lack maleness. That is the case for both the priesthood and the diaconate. Not male? No ordination.

During the during his flight back to Rome from these USA, Pope Francis was asked by a female reporter if there could be women priests.

Of course, the Pope said “No.” He said “No.” again, of course.

Over at the non-Catholic National Schismatic Reporter (aka Fishwrap), there is a piece entitled: Francis again rejects women priests without specific reasoning

“Without specific reasoning”?

Here’s what Francis said:

On women priests, that cannot be done. Pope St. John Paul II after long, long intense discussions, long reflection said so clearly. Not because women don’t have the capacity. [i.e., it’s not because women are not (fill in blank with “skilled, talented, able to get things done… capable”)] Look, in the Church women are more important than men, because the church is a woman. It is “la” church, not “il” church. The Church is the bride of Jesus Christ. And the Madonna is more important than popes and bishops and priests. I must admit we are a bit late in an elaboration of the theology of women. We have to move ahead with that theology. Yes, that’s true.

BTW… papal pressers will be eliminated during the upcoming reign of Pius XIII. So will papal trips and virtually all audiences. Pius XIII will be seen so rarely that the MSM will run stories that he may actually be dead. But I digress.

So, if you listen to Francis’ “No.” on the impossibility of women’s ordination and want to know more, turn to the pontificate of John Paul II and read Ordinatio sacerdotalis. (Spoiler: He said “No.”) Then you can read Card. Ratzinger’s explanation of Ordinatio sacerdotalis. (Spoiler: He said that the teaching which OS repeats is infallible). And if you want, you can follow the footnotes and references back to Bl. Paul VI. (Spoiler: He said “No.”)

By the way, the chief task of the Roman Pontiff is to say “No.” The same goes for bishops and priests.

Anyway, I bring this up because you might want to make some popcorn, put on some teflon bibs and gloves and eye protection, and go look also at the combox under that piece at NSR. Some people are having a nutty. Better yet, put on bibs and gloves made of BAM if you are venturing into the fever swamp that is the Fishwrap combox. Blech.

You will notice, inter alia, that some are basically saying, “Well, he’s not an intellectual.” (Read: He doesn’t think that women should be ordained so he’s not very smart.) Others suggest that referring to John Paul II was bad. Their brass ring is, of course, the elimination of the Magisterium of John Paul II. Others say, “He didn’t really mean it.” Uh huh.

Note well: Fishwrap adherents demand that you accept – without specific reasoning – everything Pope Francis utters about their pet projects. But if he says something Catholic about the fact that women can’t be priests or that homosexual sex is a sin, gender-bending theory is harmful and that it’s wrong to redefine marriage… no no!… he apparently has to explain himself. Still others are quivering over the word “capacity”.

UPDATE:

Again at Fishwrap there are more irritated pieces about Pope Francis’ clear reiteration of Catholic doctrine on the impossibility of ordaining women.

Jamie Manson:

For all his beautiful words about equality, dignity, and not being “afraid to do new things,” Francis still cannot seem to connect his ideals with the church’s perpetuation of inequality, disempowerment, and sexism.

[…]

And then there is the wacky Sr. Fiedler:

[…]

But this pope — however great on other issues — just does not “get it” when it comes to women. And it’s not just women’s ordination, where his theology and thinking are way off base.

It’s his whole to approach to women. When he appointed five women to the International Theological Commission recently, he said they were like “strawberries on a cake.” Really? That sounds like something that may have been seen as a compliment in the 1940s or 1950s, but today, it’s an insult because of its triviality. But Francis apparently does not know that.

He says that women are more important than men in the church. Really? When they can’t even be deacons, let alone priests? I want to say, “Francis, be real!”

He uses the outmoded metaphor of the church as a “bride of Christ,” as if the whole community is somehow female. And he keeps talking about the need for a “theology of women,” as if we are some strange, odd creatures that need to be studied and put it our own theological niche.

Francis needs to meet with feminist theologians who can explain to him the realities of women in this world and this church.

Then — and only then — will he be a truly transformative pope.

Liberals will eventually turn on Francis. They will be led by feminists.


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: culturewar; epa; globalwarminghoax; popefrancis; romancatholicism; smashthepatriarchy; thepope; waronwomenmeme
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Well, maybe the German bishops could "ordain" some...or maybe Cardinal Danneels could.
1 posted on 09/29/2015 3:00:28 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley; MeshugeMikey; Slings and Arrows

And male nuns...


2 posted on 09/29/2015 3:02:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Will Bernie Sanders run as an Independent if he does not get the nomination of the Democrat Party?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Vowed religious men are monks, friars, brothers, etc., depending on what order they belong to.


3 posted on 09/29/2015 3:10:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There will be no conservative issue islands left to stand on if the red tide comes in."~S. Knish)
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To: markomalley

Follow the rules or leave.


4 posted on 09/29/2015 3:13:42 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: markomalley

What part of NO, a 2000 YEAR NO, do they not understand.


5 posted on 09/29/2015 3:14:34 AM PDT by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: markomalley

Considering Francis’ left-leaning statements, you can’t blame the reporter for asking. I wouldn’t have put money on what his response would be.


6 posted on 09/29/2015 3:32:27 AM PDT by CASchack
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To: markomalley

But, on gay clergy, his door is always open...


7 posted on 09/29/2015 3:51:56 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (SECEDE TEXAS!! If not now, when?)
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To: markomalley

This Francis clown is going to change Church teaching.....NOT!

No can do...infallability.

Though he CAN speak his mind on Global Warming as that is not an infallible faith and morals point.


8 posted on 09/29/2015 4:08:49 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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> But, on gay clergy, his door is always open...

And there is plenty of evidence to back that assertion up

9 posted on 09/29/2015 4:22:43 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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“Women don’t have the capacity to receive the sacrament of holy orders because they lack maleness.”

In other words no lesbian priests.


10 posted on 09/29/2015 4:41:12 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: markomalley

LOL

oh dear a fly in the ointment...

and this is the pope who expounded “human rights” and “equality” for days in accusation against the US...


11 posted on 09/29/2015 4:44:51 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: markomalley

(I ask...why on his plane in the way back? Is this just more media manipulation? He always was saying these things but they didn’t want to report it? Seems suspicious).


12 posted on 09/29/2015 4:58:05 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else)
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To: markomalley

Christian priesthood in the bible: NO.


13 posted on 09/29/2015 4:59:26 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...)
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To: markomalley; All
You might enjoy this

Christmas holidays 1965..I went to spend a few days with a fraternity brother. His parents were fairly important lay Catholics. We went to a party one night...big estate in Westchester. The guest of honor was Francis Cardinal Spellman. I, being Jewish, wasn't that familiar with the hierarchy of the Catholic church. Spellman was short, rotund, with white hair...he could easily have passed for Santa Claus. After dinner, he was sitting in the library, sipping a brandy, smoking a cigar, and fielding questions from several guests..sort of an informal Q&A. At the time, there had recently been several stories in the papers about whether or not priests should be allowed to get married. The Cardinal was asked his opinion. He paused, sipped his brandy and said, "If we allow them to get married, then what do we do when they want to get divorced?"

14 posted on 09/29/2015 5:57:14 AM PDT by ken5050 ("Kevin McCarthy is Eric Cantor with ten less IQ points..." Mark Levin)
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To: markomalley

... but women can fight in combat why not be priests... /sarc


15 posted on 09/29/2015 6:46:07 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: markomalley

In the real priesthood (Levitical, that was set aside) there were no women. In the invented one, why not? Especially if the “Madonna” is more important than all of them?


16 posted on 09/29/2015 8:18:28 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...
Catholic ping!

Earlier in the week, Fr. Z posted this thread. Caution, may cause gagging.

“Liturgy” of Women’s Ordination Conference"

17 posted on 09/29/2015 11:58:53 AM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

“Earlier in the week, Fr. Z posted this thread. Caution, may cause gagging.

‘Liturgy’ of Women’s Ordination Conference’”

Wow. From the video, I can conclude the following:

1. Membership is limited to ugly old feminists and men who ride tricycles with girl’s bicycle seats.

2. Musical sophistication beyond appreciation of the collected works of Sharon, Lois and Bram is a disqualifier.

3. The different colors of scarves will likely lead to discord: “All scarf colors are equal, but red scarves are more equal than others.”

4. The Pope is really, really correct in this call.


18 posted on 09/29/2015 12:36:40 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: markomalley; NYer

Based upon the Pope’s answers to the reporter’s questions on this flight, he is a bit more media savey and/or sticking to traditional answers that can’t be warped by the MSM. Good for him.


19 posted on 09/29/2015 12:49:52 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

Thank God the old liberal dinosaurs are finally dying off


20 posted on 09/29/2015 1:30:17 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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