Posted on 09/11/2015 1:47:54 AM PDT by markomalley
While Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis was dealing with prison time for refusing to issue marriage licences to gay couples on Thursday last week, the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) held its first same-sex wedding ceremony for partners Paul Kempf and Robb Gwaltney, who said their vows in the Presbyterian Center chapel in Louisville, Kentucky.
"The concept of biblical marriage is very different [from] our modern views," said Pastor David Maxwell, who also presided over their wedding. "No biblical writer would have envisioned what we think of as a good marriage today—with concepts of equality and mutuality."
Charisma News editor Jennifer LeClaire cannot help but shake her head in dismay over the "scary" thing that Maxwell said. "No biblical writer could have envisioned it because the apostles and prophets only saw what God showed them and gay marriage was not part of His plan," she wrote.
Maxwell seems to believe that the Bible includes and even endorses same-sex marriage, but he also thinks that men having multiple wives or the forceful taking of wives from defeated people are also acceptable, LeClaire said.
"Yes, he really made the comparison between gay marriage and polygamy, forceful taking of wives and husbands owning wives. Shocking, I know," LeClaire said. "Is that what the leftists have planned next? Polygamy is already in the works, as well as bestiality."
But majority of Presbyterians disagree with Maxwell, said LeClaire, and she thinks that their opposing views are killing the denomination. And it looks like data agrees.
"A new report from the Office of the General Assembly shows that the denomination, which capitulated to the gay agenda, has less than 10,000 churches after an exodus of Bible-believing pastors," she said. "Recently, 34,000 black churches broke ties with the PCUSA, among others. Meanwhile, you have Presbyterian ministers who don't believe in God yet still claim to be Christians. Franklin Graham has had plenty to say about the PCUSA's apostasy."
By the end of 2014, they only had 1,667,767 members left. The numbers are dwindling year by year since they had 1,760,200 at the end of 2013 and 1,849,496 at the end of 2012, LeClaire said.
The people who actually BELIEVE the bible are finding churches or congregations which cater to actual Christians. Baptist churches are growing quite well thank you.
This “pastor” either lacks knowledge of what the Roman world was like or he is deliberately leading people astray!
I used to have a bunch of Korean friends. It seemed like they were all Presbyterian. And they also tended to be a pretty conservative group. Does anyone know what stance the Korean Presbyterian Church in the U.S. is taking on this issue?
There are several different branches of Presbyterian. PCUSA
is known for it’s liberal positions. Without knowing which branch you’re talking about it’s hard to tell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Presbyterian_Church_in_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_American_Presbyterian_Church
Even within Korean it seems there are a couple of different branches.
Let me just remind anyone who has forgotten or doesn't know. PCUSA is only one denomination that calls itself Presbyterian. John Knox would never affiliate with such heresy.
PCA and OPC are two biblical branches of Presbyterian denominations.
“No biblical writer would have envisioned what we think of as a good marriage today—with concepts of equality and mutuality.”
Paul did.
The pastor is a moron.
Sounds just like Islam to me—minus the queer part.
At least the churches breaking away can take their buildings with them. That is much better than the Episcopalians.
AMEN, says THIS independent Baptist.
Depends on the “Baptist” church. I’ve skipped over a few because they are getting on the Warren/Osteen Ecumenical train.
The church I go to now is lead by somebody who has 24 hour security because of his vocal stance on against abortion, sodomy, and islam.
We are seeing right before our eyes the wheat being separated from the chaff in the Christian church.
So are Reformed Presbyterian.....PCA who broke away from mainline USA Pres close to 40 years ago
Wheat and chaff.....it’s happening
“So when God was busy inspiring the writers, he couldn’t see the future?” - Crazieman, Free Republic Forum, 2015
That's a hard argument to accept when early on the Bible mentions how God burned two cities to death because they were filled with Homosexuals.
Later in the bible it shows how all the tribes of Israel gathered to wipe out the city of Benjamin because of some homosexuals.
Also there is a verse in there (Leviticus, I think) that specifically says they need to be killed.
"The concept of biblical marriage is very different [from] our modern views," said Pastor David Maxwell, who also presided over their wedding. "No biblical writer would have envisioned what we think of as a good marriage today—with concepts of equality and mutuality."Well duh.
Of course same sex marriage is not just a Biblical issue. There is no religion or system of ethics before the present that would have considered this a valid marriage.
Not Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Classical Pagans, Taoists, Shintoists, Buddhists, Confucians. Not atheist philosophers such as Voltaire.
As Presbyterians are a Christian denomination at least historically, the break with the Biblical standards is significant. But really same sex marriage is a break with all previously existing human civilization.
Yes we are, we just have to remind people what “baptist” churches are not real baptists, like Westboro.
Genesis 1
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.
I really liked your post. You know I have had people tell me that the people in Sodom and Gomorrah were just inhospitable, not homosexual. Can you believe how ignorant people can be about what the Bible says? How stupid are people that believe that GOD burned cities because they were inhospitable?
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