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To: NRx
The scriptures clearly state that the handkerchief that had been around his head was separate from the strips of linen cloths. Therefore the Shroud of Turin, being one piece, can not be Jesus' burial cloth.

John 19
38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus.
39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds.
40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1054). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

John 20
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb.
4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first.
5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw †the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in.
6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there,
7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself.

8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed.
9 For as yet they did not bknow the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead.

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1054). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.
6 posted on 08/31/2015 1:17:38 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener

Try using ARAMAIC and GREEK instead of the translated words in English and they might say something different. . . and the Jewish burial customs say your interpretation is wrong, not the words of the Gospel. Just the way it was TRANSLATED into English. Sorry, look to the original words for the real meaning. Even the Gospels don’t agree on this. In fact, the article above has a pretty good explanation of your confusion.


7 posted on 08/31/2015 1:30:42 AM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SubMareener
The evidence weighs pretty heavily in favor of the Shroud's authenticity.

The strongest evidence is that even in this age of astonishing scientific and technological breakthroughs, nobody has ever figured out how to replicate the image on the Shroud.

Another strong piece of evidence is that the Shroud is basically a photographic negative. This is a critical point to remember; the images you see here in the main article are not true depictions of the Shroud. They are negatives that show all the detail you see ... which means the Shroud itself is a photographic negative. If it was a forgery, then it was allegedly produced hundreds of years before photography was even invented.

12 posted on 08/31/2015 3:07:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: SubMareener
The scriptures clearly state that the handkerchief that had been around his head was separate from the strips of linen cloths. Therefore the Shroud of Turin, being one piece, can not be Jesus' burial cloth.

The Sudarium of Oviedo:

3: Coincidence with the Shroud

The sudarium alone has revealed sufficient information to suggest that it was in contact with the face of Jesus after the crucifixion. However, the really fascinating evidence comes to light when this cloth is compared to the Shroud of Turin.

The first and most obvious coincidence is that the blood on both cloths belongs to the same group, namely AB.

The length of the nose through which the pleural oedema fluid came onto the sudarium has been calculated at eight centimetres, just over three inches. This is exactly the same length as the nose on the image of the Shroud.

If the face of the image on the Shroud is placed over the stains on the sudarium, perhaps the most obvious coincidence is the exact fit of the stains with the beard on the face. As the sudarium was used to clean the man's face, it appears that it was simply placed on the face to absorb all the blood, but not used in any kind of wiping movement.

A small stain is also visible proceeding from the right hand side of the man's mouth. This stain is hardly visible on the Shroud, but Dr. John Jackson, using the VP-8 and photo enhancements has confirmed its presence.

The thorn wounds on the nape of the neck also coincide perfectly with the bloodstains on the Shroud.

Dr. Alan Whanger applied the Polarized Image Overlay Technique to the sudarium, comparing it to the image and bloodstains on the Shroud. The frontal stains on the sudarium show seventy points of coincidence with the Shroud, and the rear side shows fifty. The only possible conclusion is that the Oviedo sudarium covered the same face as the Turin Shroud.

The facecloth was in addition to the shroud, not instead of it.
24 posted on 08/31/2015 6:47:32 AM PDT by Petrosius
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