Posted on 07/26/2015 8:55:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN
Here is yet more information, for those who miss the Rapture and are here after the event. This is for people, not any particular congregation of people. Please, think about it ...
Good point. Though, from some of the obstinate pretribbers I have met, I wonder.
I agree and the moment He calls for the Bride is the Second Trumpet not a part of ones written in The Revelation but rather GOD's command Bring forth the Bride which in tradition means a trumpet blast saying let the wedding feast and ceremony commence. Two blast. The first announcing the betrothed over 2000 years the second one announcing that The Grooms Father says all provisions for the Brides home have been fulfilled to his requirements and He tells his son bring forth the Bride. No one knows the hour but the Father.
To me the rapture isn't an issue as far as condemning anyone or right or wrong in relation to ones salvation. GOD did call out people and even nations before passing judgement. He called out Noah and his family, He called out Lot and his family, He called out Israel from Egypt, as examples.
He also stood by others under immense times of danger. He was with Daniel. He was in the furnace with the three. Stephen looked in the heavens and saw Jesus as he took his last breath. I forgot the other important one. While on the cross when Christ earthly body passed the graves opened up and the believers who were dead arose.
Once the dispensation of Grace is ended and the church called out and it is as the time Noah entered the ark or Lot left Sodom. Up until that moment normal events will occur such as weddings etc. The world as a whole will not be looking for Christ return. And even in that hour some may in their minds be putting off their personal decision to accept GOD's simple plan of salvation through Jesus. They have things they wanna do first or say Christ isn't returning right now so I'll do something else rather than be ready in spirit. No one knows the day or hour of Christ return.
Though there will be many martyrs, Paul says there will be "...those that alive and remain," who will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, 1 Thess. 4. Jesus says the same, some will persevere in their faith to their eschatological salvation at the end, "He that endureth unto the end, the same shall be saved," Matt. 24:13.
McGee makes the case first that the four and twenty elders are representative of the Church in Heaven. And when the seals seem unopenable to John, one of the Church members (one of the elders) tells him that there is someone who can open the seals, is worthy to open the seals. That's not an Angel speaking to John, it is one of the elders.
Then in Rev 7:13 one of the elders/the Church in Heaven explains the ones in white robes are they who came out of the great tribulation and washed their raiment in the blood to be white as snow, showing us that the Church is in Heaven and some are being saved during the Tribulation that are not of the Church taken out in t he Rapture before the Tribulation begins..
I’m getting on the 405 and arriving anywhere in LA in 20 minutes!
One of McGee’s favorite reason why the Church has to be removed before the antichrist appears is that there cannot be world-wide anti-Semitism so long as the real Church is in the World.
If so, where do you find the statement in the Bible saying this? We know Jesus made no such statement in Matt. 24, where did Paul say such? Though Paul spoke of the catching away (the rapture)in 1 Thess. 4, he said nothing about this being before the tribulation, nor there being two events, a two stage affair.
Inferences are not sufficient for something as important as this, we need a clear statement somewhere using the language you used, "the rapture is one event, the 2nd coming is a distinctly separate event.
Your prayers have worked already...Salvation is a Catholic and thus has the entirety of Christian truth at her fingertips....
Romans 5:9 is a clear statement that the Church will not go through the Great Tribulation.
Correct; there is no Third Coming of the Messiah; it is a new teaching of the last two centuries. It sells movies and books, and its adherents cannot even agree on the storyline.
“Then in Rev 7:13 one of the elders/the Church in Heaven explains the ones in white robes are they who came out of the great tribulation and washed their raiment in the blood to be white as snow, showing us that the Church is in Heaven and some are being saved during the Tribulation that are not of the Church taken out in t he Rapture before the Tribulation begins..”
The answer to that may be the 144,000 who are sealed:
Revelation 7
http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/7.htm
Amen, Brother! We are saved by The Grace of God. God would not pour out His wrath on those to whom He has given His Grace and put His Holy Spirit in them to raise them up in the way that they should go.
I cannot find any orchestra described. Revelation records the action for seven trumps. Paul says what will happen at the last trump to flesh.
It was not until most of the Apostles had been martyred and the Jews dispersed from the land that God saw fit to deliver the road map of future events to John on Patmos. But Paul wrote in his letters tot he Thessalonians that they were to comfort one another with the scene of the Rapture of the believers.
The Rapture remains a late, late, teaching among only certain denominations and sects that devolved later from Protestantism. It is not part of historic Christian teaching, being absent for all but the last two centuries.
Paul taught his converts the feasts of Israel. He would have taught them about the feast of trumpets and the 100 blowings and the last trump being the longest, blown for as long as the trumpeter could hold breath.
Amen.Then we will come back with Jesus at the end of the tribulation... "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints..." (Jude v14), "Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."(Malachi 3:16-18)
"For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock." (Psalm 27:5)
I'm not trying to put you off, I want you to see it for yourself.
If Paul, who came along later, were to have been introducing an additional coming to the one in the olivet discourse, he would have been going against what Jesus had said. He would also have used very specific language setting forth this new thing, “Jesus is to return in two stages, not one like you have been led to believe,” or something similar, which he did not.
Jesus DID reveal to Paul a 'new coming'...It was a mystery up til the time of Paul...
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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