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To: caww
    I note your comment indicates to me two things that are inconsistent with the typical dispensationalist position
  1. Only those do the works, keep the word of Messiah, will be kept from the hour of temptation that will try them that dwell on the earth. If you snooze, you lose, and are left behind; so much for Once Saved Always Saved.
  2. The seven churches of Asia in the book of Revelation do not represent different ages since the words you quoted were written to the angel of the church of Philadelphia and not to the last church in the series.

The Rapture remains a late, late, teaching among only certain denominations and sects that devolved later from Protestantism. It is not part of historic Christian teaching, being absent for all but the last two centuries.

216 posted on 07/26/2015 8:39:17 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Just mythoughts
The first elders of the true Church taught the foundations of Christian faith, and the Gospel of Jesus Chrsit, the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit. The imminent Rapture did not happen within the first sixty years following the crucifixion. It is not difficult to see why it would be laid aside in teaching the Gospel and the indwelling of God's Spirit. Israel as a nation was not more, so the imminency Jews expected --that Jesus would come and take out the church then come back in seven years and establish the throne of David. Without a Temple on the Temple Mount, without the land in Jewish possession, why would they want to hold to a notion which raised so many unanswerable questions for them.

But we are not in their position. Israel has been restored in miraculous fashion. Jerusalem is under Israeli control. The throne of David can now be restored with the Jews recalled to the land. There are many references to this passage in 1 Thess 4 and 2 Thess 2 and 1 Cor 15:51 found in the sermon records being retrieved from the earliest teachings right through to the time of Darby.

Frances Gumerlock, reading through five hundred volumes of the church fathers is said to have three file drawers full of pre-trib type writings. If you would like more data on the Pre-trib perspective, visit www.pre-trib.org

221 posted on 07/26/2015 8:52:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: af_vet_1981; caww; MHGinTN
"The seven churches of Asia in the book of Revelation do not represent different ages since the words you quoted were written to the angel of the church of Philadelphia and not to the last church in the series."

However...the last church is spewed out of His mouth all the while believing it has everything all neatly wrapped up.That church is told to "buy gold tried in the fire".

Also...The church of Philadelphia has..."I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it..." (Rev 3:8)

The last church however has... "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock..."

The church that has "a little strength" has an open door,the church that thinks it has it all (and yet is poor,blind and naked!)has a shut door and must buy gold tried in the fire.

I think that door is the rapture.

223 posted on 07/26/2015 9:01:38 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: af_vet_1981
First I do believe fully in the sanctity of the believer.....that's a settled matter....so as you mentioned .."Snooze you loose" doesn't fit my postion.

As for the seven churches.... Revelation does not include Colossae, Miletus, Hierapolis, or Magnesia.... The seven named are chosen ‘to symbolize the whole Church’...and do a fabulous work of denoting such. Therefore All believers learn and are able to see themselves in these 7 churches that represent the whole.

As for Dispensationalists or others who categorize themselves....I simply stand on what I know from scripture...I don't follow a certain popular or unpopular position though some have shared on FR my position leans toward Dispensationalist.....

226 posted on 07/26/2015 9:13:51 PM PDT by caww
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