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Happy Birthday Calvin (Vanity )
July 10,2015 | rnmomof7

Posted on 07/10/2015 8:15:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7

Today is the birthday of John Calvin, Pastor, theologian and scholar ....

One may disagree with his theology .. but his contribution to the church and the world can not be denied..

"In 1559, as part of his social reforms, Calvin founded a school for training children as well as a hospital for the indigent. His Geneva Academy attracted students from all over Europe and in 1564, when he died, had 1,200 on the roll. Education could inculcate values and morality. His pedagogy was quite progressive; teachers should not be authoritarian but “should join [and] walk with [students] as companions” (qtd. in Bouwsma, 90). Calvin has been called “the father of popular education and the inventor of free schools” (Schaff 83, quoting George Bancroft). He made provision for 5,000 refugees between 1542 and 1560. Throughout his time in Geneva, he preached, performed numerous marriages and baptisms, gave spiritual advice, took part in controversy by correspondence with other reformers, as well as guiding the life of the city. He was a conscientious pastor. He took the care of souls very seriously. Preaching was for him primarily a pastoral act (see Willimon, 141). His main concerns were always pastoral and theological. One of the standard texts on the care of souls in the reformed tradition would be penned by a leading English Calvinist, Richard Baxter (1615-1691).

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/John_Calvin

Calvin the Theologian left us with his commentary on the scriptures

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/commentaries.i.html


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: calvin; protestantism; reformation; scholar
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To: Alex Murphy

I did sparky, I asked where Europeans learned such views that heresy should be punished by the state. He answered from the Catholics.

My response stands.


61 posted on 07/10/2015 10:50:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gamecock

Christ himself, flipping tables of people literally profaning the temples.

A tin horn despot, hunting down a serious man who’s thinking goes against the orthodoxy, trying him, and burning him alive over a slow fire in the name of Christ.

Yes, these two are exactly the same.


62 posted on 07/10/2015 10:53:07 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: CommerceComet
Marvin Olasky summed it the Servetus issue very well (paraphrased): "We'd all feel better about John Calvin if we could find something which showed remorse about the situation

I guess I am not as good as judging hearts as Olasky...

63 posted on 07/10/2015 10:54:12 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Alex Murphy

” before you step up on your soapbox.”

I can step up on my soapbox anytime I want. Not the case in Europe a few hundred years ago whether I was in a Catholic Pope run OR a Protestant Calvin run city. Those low lifes would burn you alive,,,, all in Christ’s name of course.


64 posted on 07/10/2015 10:56:42 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Then have more specificity in your question. You made a point. I proved you wrong.
65 posted on 07/10/2015 10:56:43 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: MHGinTN

Oh, then God wrote the new testament in that sense. Then there was this thing called the New Covenant. Google it.
In reality, you can exist with only a new testament. The old is sort of a history or whence you came, but Christianity comes from the new testament.


66 posted on 07/10/2015 10:58:43 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gamecock

Want more specificity? Ok then, when they were piling up books to burn (and where have I heard that before? Oh,, ill get to that later)
But when they were piling up books to burn a man alive on, in his name, what do you think Jesus Christ expected from the primary religious leader of that community?

To simplify, was it what Jesus wanted them to do in his name?


67 posted on 07/10/2015 11:03:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino; MHGinTN; Gamecock; RnMomof7
Oh, then God wrote the new testament in that sense. Then there was this thing called the New Covenant. Google it. In reality, you can exist with only a new testament. The old is sort of a history or whence you came, but Christianity comes from the new testament.

Where was Jesus during the Old Testament? More importantly, Who was Jesus in the Old Testament?

68 posted on 07/10/2015 11:07:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvation
Cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl through the world seeking the ruin of souls.
we know you're busy so if you're pressed for time just handling the ones in Washington would be fine too

Amen.

69 posted on 07/10/2015 11:07:57 AM PDT by golux
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To: DesertRhino

Probably not.

Now see, wasn’t that easy?


70 posted on 07/10/2015 11:11:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: DesertRhino

JW?


71 posted on 07/10/2015 11:12:06 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Alex Murphy

The important thing is what his New Covenant was and meant. His status during the Old Test days is kind of, angels on a pin stuff.


72 posted on 07/10/2015 11:13:06 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Gee, you're not doing too well with these 'religion' categories. Want to try travel and vacations? ...

The disciples and Jesus were having the Passover Seder when Jesus revealed the New Covenant, and explained to the disciples that He would not drink the fruit of the vibe again until He drank it in the Father's Kingdom. Jesus was referring to the four cups of the Passover Seder, so Jesus connected the OT tot he New Testament quite extensively. In fact, there is one glaring example of Jesus explaining something that was never explained in the Old Testament, and being God with us We ought to take note of it:

John 3:9 Nicodemus answered him, "How can these things be?"

10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and don't understand these things? Most certainly I tell you, we speak that which we know, and testify of that which we have seen, and you don't receive our witness. If I told you earthly things and you don't believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

So, Jesus connected the OT to His mission which is the subject of the New Testament. He established a Remembrance attached to The Passover Seder, without ending the Passover and in fact as much as saying He would take The Seder in His Father's Kingdom, eventually with them.

I'm sorry if you believe the Catholic Eucharist was established in John 6. That's the passage where Jesus used the law to sarcastically rebuke the followers demanding signs from Him in order to continue to believe in His Mission. The real Communion addition to the Passover Meaning was given in the Upper Room, the night before He was betrayed, and it was just bread and wine as a means to Remember His Death and the blood of Him shed for the many and sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat to cover the laws of sin and death.

73 posted on 07/10/2015 11:13:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: DesertRhino; Alex Murphy

Not according to Jesus.
According to Him, the OT is all about him. Not hardly “angels on a pin.”


74 posted on 07/10/2015 11:17:51 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock

Is there a ‘volume of the book’ category?


75 posted on 07/10/2015 11:21:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Gamecock; DesertRhino; Alex Murphy

Quote-According to Him, the OT is all about him.

The 30/60/100fold ‘numbers’ can be found in Israel’s Exodus and why He used those specific numbers for His Parable gets missed by people who may ignore the Old Testament..

And frankly, it gets missed by those who let Rome tell time for them (like Judaism and christianity) too but that is another story.


76 posted on 07/10/2015 11:28:15 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Gamecock; DesertRhino; Alex Murphy
Hebrews 10:

5 Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, "Sacrifice and offering you didn't desire, but you prepared a body for me;

6 You had no pleasure in whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin.

7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come (in the scroll of the book it is written of me) to do your will, O God.'"

8 Previously saying, "Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you didn't desire, neither had pleasure in them" (those which are offered according to the law), then he has said, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He takes away the first, that he may establish the second, by which will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Every priest indeed stands day by day serving and often offering the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins, but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; from that time waiting until his enemies are made the footstool of his feet. For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,

16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them: 'After those days,' says the Lord, 'I will put my laws on their heart, I will also write them on their mind;'" then he says, "I will remember their sins and their iniquities no more."

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

That last verse kinda negates the entire Catholic Mass and Eucharist continuance of sacrificing the 'real, substantially present body, blood, soul, and divinity' of The Still Alive Great High Priest. After all, as Paul instructed the Corinthians, every time we do the communion we show THE DEATH of Him as The Seder Lamb slain form the foundation of the world now entered into the Heavenly Place where He lives interceding for us daily, there, in The Father's Presence.

77 posted on 07/10/2015 11:34:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: delchiante

Ah, but The Times of The Lord are still in God’s attention span, and this old earth will dance according to His schedule, not Rome’s.


78 posted on 07/10/2015 11:35:30 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
Well let's see:

And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:27)

So He started with the Pentateuch and moved on to the Books of the Prophets. Doesn't seem to be, especially when He showed them in ALL the Scriptures.

79 posted on 07/10/2015 11:44:41 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock

I read or heard once that one of the ones on the Road with whom He gave His Bible study was Luke. Am I dreaming about that or is there evidence that one was Luke.


80 posted on 07/10/2015 11:51:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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