Happy Birthday Calvin (Vanity )

July 10,2015 | rnmomof7

[Gamecock]

From the Roman Catholics.

[Gamecock]

WWJD?

Flipping tables over and chasing people out of the temple with a whip is a distinct possibilty.

Protecting the doctrine of His Father’s house.

[Gamecock]

GRPL PING!

[P8riot]

For you John.

[P8riot]

Or maybe this

[CommerceComet]

I attended the 2009 Desiring God conference and toward its conclusion was a panel discussion. Marvin Olasky summed it the Servetus issue very well (paraphrased): "We'd all feel better about John Calvin if we could find something which showed remorse about the situation." It was not said to distance himself or the speakers from Calvin but as a simple statement of fact.

I've gotten a lot of valuable insights from Calvin. Like any other human teacher, Calvin's teachings are evaluated through the lens of Scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:21 and Acts 17:11). However, I've yet to find an explanation provided by anyone about the Servetus situation which I find as totally satisfactory. There is no escaping that the incident is troubling but it doesn't prevent me from learning from Calvin where appropriate.

[Alex Murphy]

DesertRhino: Christ never taught murder as a method to deal with people with theological differences....Nevermind of course that Christ’s message is timeless.

Me: Who do you think authored the Old Testament?

DesertRhino: What books? Traditionally the first 5 are attributed to Moses with some biblical scholarly debate about who exactly wrote them.

May I conclude that you do not believe in the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity?

[Alex Murphy]

I attended the 2009 Desiring God conference and toward its conclusion was a panel discussion. Marvin Olasky summed it the Servetus issue very well (paraphrased): "We'd all feel better about John Calvin if we could find something which showed remorse about the situation." It was not said to distance himself or the speakers from Calvin but as a simple statement of fact. I've gotten a lot of valuable insights from Calvin. Like any other human teacher, Calvin's teachings are evaluated through the lens of Scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:21 and Acts 17:11). However, I've yet to find an explanation provided by anyone about the Servetus situation which I find as totally satisfactory. There is no escaping that the incident is troubling but it doesn't prevent me from learning from Calvin where appropriate.

You might find post #29 interesting.

[CommerceComet]

“summed it” should be “summed up”.

[MHGinTN]

Where on the Internet did you find a gif of Hobbes doing the Harlem Shake?

[DesertRhino]

Driving moneychangers from the temple is one thing. Its disgusting to say that this was Christ giving later depots permission to burn alive and torture those who had a theological disagreement.

[DesertRhino]

I am happy to fault Catholic shortcomings as fast as anyone. But if your argument is that Calvin and Europeans learned from the Catholics to make it a punishable crime to be a heretic,,, then it really makes them rather poor “protestants”.

It really is obvious in even the most cursory reading of the Bible that torture and burning opponents alive in the name of God, is not the way of Christ. It would seem a reformer might notice this.
Blame the Catholics for what they did. But a protestant movement REALLY cant get away with saying “the catholics did it that way, so that’s why we did it”.

[Gamecock]

Excuse me ? You said “Not one time did he say anything that advocated violence as a method of protecting the faith.”

I showed you an instance of Jesuse using “violence.”

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Calvin and ISIS, both burn people alive in the name of God.

And the Catholic Church hasn't?

[DesertRhino]

No, you may conclude that I have always been taught Moses wrote the first five books. That modern biblical scholars are thinking a few others are involved with the apocrypha and it may not have been Moses literally with pen and papyrus.

How in the hell does that lead you to believe to conclude anything about my beliefs in the trinity?

[Gamecock]

Alex explained it all very well In an above post. I agree with that analysis.

But once again, you asked a question and I answered it.

[Alex Murphy]

...if your argument is that Calvin and Europeans learned from the Catholics to make it a punishable crime to be a heretic,,, then it really makes them rather poor “protestants”.

Maybe you should let the man present his own argument first, before you step up on your soapbox.

[Gamecock]

Then perhaps a VERY low view on the inspiration of Scripture?

[DesertRhino]

The Catholics sure did. But this thread is celebrating a protestant who claimed he saw the wrong in the Catholic church.

There are plenty of threads where we, and I, castigate the Catholic ecclesiastical violence extant in those days. This time it is Calvin who must be roasted (snicker).

[MHGinTN]

I think Alex was looking for the authorship, not the scribe. Next category on Jeopardy?