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Jones: Scripture Teaches That the Word of God is The Supreme Norm
Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics ^ | 7/18/96 | Douglas M. Jones III

Posted on 06/15/2015 6:30:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: rwa265
I realize there are some priests that are poor homilists, and I’m sorry if you’ve had bad experiences with them. Most of them, though, are very good, especially the young priests coming out of the seminaries today. I have been fortunate to be in a parish that has had excellent homilists through the years who are very concerned about our spiritual growth.

This is not about homiletics ...this is about RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of God..

One cannot claim they infallible teachings through the magisterium when every priest gives his own personal opinion of what that scripture means ...

61 posted on 06/16/2015 9:18:38 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ealgeone

What are the odds that all the Baptist ministers say the exact same thing every Sunday in their message with no deviation whatsoever?

Wow, what are the odds that all the Baptist ministers will even preach on the same texts?


62 posted on 06/16/2015 9:34:25 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory
Your question is irrelevant. Christians have never maintained we hear the same message on Sundays.

Roman catholics do.

Again, we've been told there's no personal interpretation of Scripture and that only Rome has the official understanding....though the Vatican has only officially spoke on a handful of verses.

And now we have admission from a catholic there is no uniform message delivered from Rome.

Guess the pope's too busy focusing on climate change!!

The Vatican has however proclaimed several dogmatic teachings on mary that do not line up with the Word.

63 posted on 06/16/2015 9:44:53 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: P-Marlowe

I am a Christian big time. But I can read. Who is the Father of Jesus? — Joseph? Why is the linage of Joseph relevant to anything? Jesus is not of the linage of David or Joseph. There is nothing in Luke’s linage about Mary. How do you do Mary’s linage when it says it is the linage of “Joseph”. Jesus is the Son of God almighty— right? Not Joseph anyway. I’m just sayin. You have to accept God as the Son of God or YOU are not a Christian.


64 posted on 06/16/2015 9:46:44 AM PDT by mrs ippi
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To: RnMomof7

I’m not sure that I understand exactly what you are saying, but it seems to me that you might be saying that you think that **everything** spoken by any priest, bishop, or pope is, to Catholics, part of Catholic teaching.

If that is what you are saying, then you have a misunderstanding of Catholic teaching. Not everything a Catholic priest, bishop, or even pope is considered Catholic teaching by Catholics.

Much of what priests, bishops, and popes say, in their sermons or homilies, are re-wordings of Catholic teaching, or explanations and exhortations about growing in holiness, or simply some thoughts on the readings of the day.


65 posted on 06/16/2015 9:47:06 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: RnMomof7

How did the Apostles come to the conclusion to ditch the OT requirements of eating only particular foods?


66 posted on 06/16/2015 9:48:55 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Petrosius; Salvation
Because there was no need to answer such a silly question. Even the four evangelists did not say the exact same thing. Besides, the mentioning of the 5000 bishops was to refute the attempt to reduce the Catholic (i.e. universal) Church to that of Rome alone.

Silly to one who cannot answer the question.

This again highlights the false claim that only the roman catholic church has the exclusive grip on the truth.

If the Vatican is not producing the script for each service a catholic priest leads then each priest is up to their own understanding of the Word.

We see that from Salvation's postings from Msgr Pope.

67 posted on 06/16/2015 9:49:57 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; Petrosius; Salvation
We've been told too many times on this board that personal interpretation of Scripture is wrong.

By who, either name names or well you know the play ground saying.

By your admission there is no uniformity on what priests talk about on Sundays, or whenever they have a service.

That is not what Petrosius said at all. Prots really need to stop trying to twist words, that is why there are so many prot churches. You all want to engage in Mea Scriptura.

68 posted on 06/16/2015 9:50:53 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: Chicory; RnMomof7
Much of what priests, bishops, and popes say, in their sermons or homilies, are re-wordings of Catholic teaching, or explanations and exhortations about growing in holiness, or simply some thoughts on the readings of the day.

In other words....their own personal interpretation of Scripture!!!!

It's fun watching catholics attempt to reason their way out of this one.

69 posted on 06/16/2015 9:52:01 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: mrs ippi

A child born in the course of a marriage is legally considered the child of the husband of the marriage. Thus, Joseph’s lineage is legally Christ’s lineage.


70 posted on 06/16/2015 9:53:07 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: verga; Petrosius; Salvation; aMorePerfectUnion; RnMomof7; metmom; Elsie; CynicalBear
By who, either name names or well you know the play ground saying.

How bout by you big boy!

I am basing my beliefs on my knowledge of Greek just as you are basing yours on your knowledge.

I'm sure you recall that discussion.

That playground can be rough!

71 posted on 06/16/2015 9:55:32 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: verga
Ooooooo Goody yet ANOTHER definition of the man made practice of sola scriptura.

Good rebuttal!



72 posted on 06/16/2015 9:59:13 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RnMomof7
The problem is the magisterium has only given infallible teachings 5 or 6 times ...

The pope is in the news yet again today; giving a TEACHING that is SURE to blow the tops of many FR Catholic's heads CLEAN off!


Global Warming is human caused.


73 posted on 06/16/2015 10:00:41 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mrs ippi
I am a Christian big time. But I can read. Who is the Father of Jesus? — Joseph? Why is the linage of Joseph relevant to anything?

Matthew was written to Jews. His purpose in putting forth the Genealogy of Jesus was to show that he was in accordance with Jewish Law the Son of David. Luke also published a genealogy of Jesus to show that he was the rightful heir to the throne of David though Mary. So the two put together shows that Joseph (who was Jesus' father according to Jewish law, if not in accordance with DNA) was eligible to have a Son who would be in the line of David and it was also important to show that Mary was in the line of David so that Jesus would be related both in spirit and in flesh as the heir to David's throne.

Usually questions like these are asked by skeptics, atheists and cultists who question the truth of the bible or who try to show that Jesus was not either the rightful heir to the Throne of david, that the bible is contradictory or that Jesus is not really God.

That is why when I saw your questions followed by the question of who is Jesus father, I concluded that you were just trying to make waves with skeptical questions.

Frankly I still don't know your purpose in asking the questions. Are you denying the accuracy of the genealogies in the Bible?

Joseph was Jesus' earthly father according to the Law as he was born to a woman who was married to Joseph at the time of birth. His full name was most likely Joshua Ben Joseph of Nazareth.

Jesus is not of the lineage of David or Joseph.

Then you have to conclude that Jesus is not the Messiah.

74 posted on 06/16/2015 10:01:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: ealgeone
Guess the pope's too busy focusing on climate change!!

NOOOOooo!


75 posted on 06/16/2015 10:05:48 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
Prots really need to stop trying to twist words, that is why there are so many prot churches.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

76 posted on 06/16/2015 10:09:20 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Not at all. Priests, et al, are not supposed to make up their own teachings or deviate from Catholic teaching, but they can certainly say a lot within those limits!

For example (I tried to pick something non-controversial): I buy a car. the manual says the oil must be changed every 3,000 miles. The salesman days, “Most people put about 1,000 miles per month on their car. if you do too, then you need to get your oil changed about every 3 months.” Now, would anyone say the salesman is deviating from the manual, or would they say he was explaining accurately what the manual says?

If a priest were to say that Christ was only human and not at all divine, as the Psilanthropists taught, that priest would be coming up with his own interpretation, and saying something outside of Church teaching. If, however, he were to say something like, “Christ praised the Centurion because his words showed a great understanding of God’s authority and power,” then the priest would not be quoting anything in particular, yet not interpreting Scripture on his own.


77 posted on 06/16/2015 10:23:32 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory
If a priest were to say that Christ was only human and not at all divine, as the Psilanthropists taught, that priest would be coming up with his own interpretation, and saying something outside of Church teaching. If, however, he were to say something like, “Christ praised the Centurion because his words showed a great understanding of God’s authority and power,” then the priest would not be quoting anything in particular, yet not interpreting Scripture on his own.

And that's exactly what goes on in the church I attend.

78 posted on 06/16/2015 11:00:53 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I assume you mean the first thing I described?

If so, and if you are attending a Catholic church, the priest is not supposed to teach against what the Church teaches. For example, I have heard priests from the pulpit explain away Christ’s miracles, say people who have just died are in Heaven, that women should be able to become priests... Very sad, and they will have a lot to answer for before Christ.


79 posted on 06/16/2015 11:31:51 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: P-Marlowe
If you want to believe that fine. Please Scripture guide me to Mary is said to have been related in any way to David? Did you know that Matthew and Luke were written 50 or more years after the resurrection by non eye witnesses-— hearsay?
80 posted on 06/16/2015 11:51:13 AM PDT by mrs ippi
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