“Truth” received on no authority at all

White Horse Inn ^ | February 14, 2014 | Timothy F. Kauffman

[Syncro]

Thank you pinging me since you seem to be interested.

Yes, I was interested in answering Daniel1212's statement to me.

(I pinged you as a courtesy as you were mentioned in my post.)

I just let him know that he was falsely accused of breaking the rules.

Do you want to apologize for that accusation?

I noticed the post of yours was removed, did you ask to have it removed?

I hope you did because that would show that the RM is not biased against those in your denomination.

I will pray for all of you.

Please pray directly to Jesus and not to Mary. Thanks. (see my tagline for the reason)

It's a good idea to confess any sins before praying also:

If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me...Psalm 66:18

Remember the Bible says you can come straight to his Throne of Grace to confess sins, you do not have to go to a middleman like a priest or Mary.

Hebrews 4:16
King James Version (KJV)

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace...

So now the groundwork is laid for effectual prayer.

[CynicalBear]

>>“Among Protestants there is a wide variation in how one becomes a Christian—<<

First of all there is a problem answering that question because you must first define what a Protestant is. Catholics have defined most all who are not Catholics as Protestant. I for instance am not a Catholic but neither am I a Protestant nor any of the other denominational tags.

That said, I think the answer to your question for true Protestants would be a resounding NO. There is no "wide variation" in how one becomes a Christian. Across the board for all Protestants when one places their faith in Christ alone for salvation they become a Christian.

[CynicalBear]

>>Elijah was carried to Heaven in a whirlwind preceeded by a fiery chariot; would Christ do less for His mother?<<

Is the belief that Elijah was carried to heaven a requirement by the Catholic Church with "anathema" proclaimed if one does not? The event concerning Elijah is recorded in scripture. Anything about Mary after Pentecost is not recorded at all either by religious or secular writings.

[metmom]

Elijah was carried to Heaven in a whirlwind preceeded by a fiery chariot; would Christ do less for His mother?

Jesus is no respecter of persons.

He wouldn't place His mother above others.

For that matter, He didn't.

Matthew 12:48-50 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Jesus puts ALL of those who do the will of God on the same level as His mother.

So Mary was carried up to heaven in a fiery chariot?

Besides, that's about the weakest argument for something that I can imagine.

Show is some verses from Scripture where God tells us He took Mary up like that and you'll have a basis for your claim. Otherwise, it's just romantic, wishful thinking.

[metmom]

They’re huge differences only if you think they save anyone.

They do not.

It’s either faith in Christ or faith in something else, and THAT is the crux of the matter. It’s irrelevant what that something else is because the important part is that it’s not faith in Christ.

[metmom]

OK. I wasn’t aware of that.

That is pretty much the general view of FRoman Catholics on these threads, that Christians think that way, and it has been countered time an again, For years.

I just didn’t expect a Catholic to think differently.

Sorry.

[metmom]

I had always heard phrases like becoming saved, which seemed to mean being in a state wherein one would go to Heaven if one died that night. I guess that is analogous to what you are calling justification?

I see the difference you are referring to.

When we say that someone becomes saved, we are referring to the one time event of being born again, being declared judicially righteous based on our faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

I can see how someone could think that becoming saved is the process of growing in holiness.

FWIW, for years after I got saved, I was also very confused about the terminology of *justification* and *sanctification*.

That has cleared up with good Scriptural teaching.

So it gets back to what I defined earlier.

Justified is being declared judicially pardoned by God. Sanctified is becoming more and more Christ like as I live out His life here on this earth, as He lives through me. He becomes greater and I become less.

[Elsie]

He went on, "My mother was no 'wretch'!"

Projection!

He's been taught indoctrinated that Mary was sinless; so, by extension, ALL mothers are.

[Elsie]

Yeah...

Joseph’s ‘wife’ would not be caught DEAD in a Catholic church singing Amazing Grace!

[Elsie]

Then fix it!

[Elsie]

What happens to those who pick the wrong opinion to agree with?

I thought I mentioned the CCC??

[Elsie]

Because if there is no basis for decision, how can any Protestant say any Catholic teaching is wrong?

Because if there is no FOUNDATION shown for decisions, how can any Catholic say any Protestant teaching is wrong?

[Elsie]

On what evidence is your assertion based?

There you go again! -RR

[Elsie]

I just KNOW this wasn’t for me!

[Elsie]

Re: Source of Apostolic Tradition: Read what the Early Church Fathers say.

I want to read BEFORE that, the stuff that the apostles taught.

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Read what the Early Church Fathers say.

I've read what John wrote to The Early Church Fathers in the churches of Asia.

I don't think they'd be very good role models...

[Elsie]

 

 

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

 

 

What a LIE!!!

[Elsie]

Nom wonder Catholics want to distance themselves from the CCC!

[Elsie]

The Catholic Church does not teach that we can “earn” our salvation through good works

The Catholic Church does teach that we can “KEEP” our salvation through good works!

[Elsie]

an individual vs the group

[Elsie]

Even Protestants ask others to pray for them, and that is what we do with Mary.

I have NEVER asked a DEAD person to pray for me!