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“Truth” received on no authority at all
White Horse Inn ^ | February 14, 2014 | Timothy F. Kauffman

Posted on 06/11/2015 8:19:28 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: RnMomof7

The link in the article to Newman’s original article is broken, and google couldn’t find it either. I could only find it in snippets from others who criticized it.

Nevertheless, looking only at the snippets included in this article, it seems that the author is confused between mediation and doctrine.

At least in the snippets provided, Newman does not say that the details and embellishments are “evidence” of anything. He says they are aids to meditation.

A quick example will illustrate the difference: if I meditate Luke Ch. 1 26-38, I read:

In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary.

When I meditate on this passage I picture it, like many painters have done, taking place in a house. I picture Mary alone perhaps in her bedroom when the angel appears.

But scripture does not say that the angel came to Mary in a house. It might have happened outside at the well or elsewhere.

If there were a raging debate over the issue of whether this scene took place inside or outside my picture of this scene would not constitute “evidence” that it took place inside and contrary to what the author of this article believes, Newman is not claiming that it does.


21 posted on 06/11/2015 9:55:19 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: Salvation

Is this all you can do.....provide links to catholic sources?? Good grief.


22 posted on 06/11/2015 9:56:44 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Campion

Go easy on the use of the word “proddie”....


23 posted on 06/11/2015 9:57:57 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Why are you grief stricken?


24 posted on 06/11/2015 9:58:24 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ealgeone

Wikipedia discusses this here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther%27s_canon

(Sorry, I don’t know how to do links here.)

He wanted to remove the Epistle of James and called it an epistle of straw, quite possibly because it is the only place where the words “faith alone” are found: James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

And Luther added the word alone to Romans 3.28 **in order to change the teaching,** which is, of course, more along the lines of what is being erroneously and without evidence criticized on the part of Catholics.


25 posted on 06/11/2015 10:08:02 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Salvation
Have no idea what you're talking about?

Why are you avoiding the question?

26 posted on 06/11/2015 10:10:10 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I had some Protestant books for children when they were young, and they had all kinds of additions to the Bible stories. They even included pictures of things which were not minutely described in Scripture!

The OP is a strawman argument which makes little sense at all.


27 posted on 06/11/2015 10:13:32 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory
I had some Protestant books for children when they were young, and they had all kinds of additions to the Bible stories

That's a very good point. Taking the author's offense to embellishment to its logical extreme you would be inclined to burn all works of religious art, destroy all stained glass with lead pipes, and set fire to libraries "on a scale that far outstrips the modern efforts of Islamist extremists."

Oh wait, they already did that:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/10/08/a-sad-reminder-of-the-art-lost-in-the-years-after-the-reformation/

28 posted on 06/11/2015 10:20:59 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: Chicory
Good grief. Never knew there was a category of "protestant" books.

You're actually attempting to equate a child's book with the Word??

29 posted on 06/11/2015 10:28:20 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Chicory

Place mark


30 posted on 06/11/2015 10:31:27 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Salvation

Don’t you have a pope to complain about?


31 posted on 06/11/2015 10:51:34 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/dec/07/pope-benedict-vatican-tax-havens-credit-crunch


32 posted on 06/11/2015 10:53:55 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

You have not noticed that there are books written about their religion by Protestants? That there are publishers who publish books by Protestants, and even bookstores which specialize in those books? Many are called “Christian,” but since they exclude Catholic books and sometimes even include books which slander the Church, they cannot be considered “Christian” per se. Hence, yes, Protestant.

Well, no, but the Catholic Church has not changed the Word in this way—even the OP does not claim that.


33 posted on 06/11/2015 11:14:18 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Elsie
Sorry; that was 'old'

Have some NEW stuff!

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Vatican-to-share-tax-info-with-US-in-new-6318032.php


Father; I have sinned.

How so; my son?

I used a tax haven.

Too bad; my son; but now I have to report you.

34 posted on 06/11/2015 11:17:37 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MamaB
First time I saw it.

What are they going to do when they realize that a lot of this stuff was written in the 1800s???

35 posted on 06/11/2015 11:22:50 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Chicory

Well, you have changed the Word in that you’ve added to it with the apocrypha and the CCC.


36 posted on 06/11/2015 11:52:30 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Chicory
Well, someone in the Catholic church tried to add books which tests have proven were not written when the others were. I like to watch historical shows and this was a topic on one of them. That got me interested so I did my own research. Many different sites said the same thing. So, why were they added?
37 posted on 06/11/2015 12:02:26 PM PDT by MamaB (Heb. 13:2)
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To: RnMomof7

I don’t accept the word of someone who claims to have authority simply because they make that claim.

Their claim that they have it does not mean they do.


38 posted on 06/11/2015 12:07:18 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Chicory

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

God did not have a mother.

Jesus did.


39 posted on 06/11/2015 12:08:07 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation; RnMomof7

So what?

You know what?

Nobody really cares.


40 posted on 06/11/2015 12:09:15 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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