From Southern Baptist to Goddess Worship, Sue Monk Kidd

Way of Life Literature, Inc.; Fundamental Baptist Information Service ^ | May 09, 2012 11:01 | David Cloud

[imardmd1]

Excerpted:

What Catholic mysticism does is reject the Bible as the sole and sufficient and perfect revelation of God and tries to delve beyond the Bible, even beyond thought of any kind, and find God through mystical “intuition.” In other words, it is a rejection of the God of the Bible. It says that God cannot be known by doctrine and cannot be described in words. He can only be experienced through mysticism. This is a blatant denial of the Bible’s claim to be the very Word of God.

This opens the practitioner to demonic delusion. He is left with no perfect objective revelation of God, no divinely-revealed authority by which he can test his mystical experiences and intuitions. He is left with an idol of his own vain imagination (Jeremiah 17:9) and a doctrine of devils.

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She (Sue Monk Kidd) determined that she was willing to lose her marriage, if necessary.

"I would not, could not forfeit my journey for my marriage or for the sake of religious acceptance or success as a ‘Christian writer.’ I would keep moving in my own way to the strains of feminine music that sifted up inside me, not just moving but embracing the dance. ... I felt the crumbling of the old patriarchal foundation our marriage had rested upon in such hidden and subtle ways. Though both of us would always need to compromise, there was no more sacrificing myself, no more revolving around him, no more looking to him for validation, trying to be what I thought he needed me to be. My life, my time, my decisions became newly my own" (pp. 98, 125).

[imardmd1]

This is a warning to evangelicals concerning the spiritual dangers and consequences of dabbling in mysticism such as Thomas Merton's "Contemplative spirituality."

Baptists beware!

[Salvation]

This lady is immersed in feminism.

Rejected God as Father.

Relates to God as Mother.

Her beliefs are her own doing, not Thomas Merton’s.

Did you really read the whole story before you posted your comment?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Good post. You’re right. Don’t expect the catholics to get it, but they are not the audience.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

No one is sweeter than you, Salvation, but that doesn’t mean Baptists are going to accept Thomas Merton or any other catholic teaching. It is not meant to be a personal attack on you. I’ve looked at some of your catholic postings and to be honest, I find the Mary worship very shocking, among other things. There are some areas we will simply never agree upon.

[Salvation]

Catholics do not worship Mary.

We honor her just like you might honor your own mother.

[imardmd1]

TGoFRP says Catholics are not the audience (evangelicals are), so maybe you don't want to read it. Who knows what beliefs are Merton's and which are not? In contemplative spirituality, you're not supposed to be able to tell, are you?

I just know you're not going to like more of David Cloud's articles.

[imardmd1]

Catholics do not worship Mary.

Please be serious. Or have you redefined "worship"?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Whatever you say. It looks like worship to me. I would never ever say those things to my own mother. Neither do I consider my mother sinless nor a participant in my redemption.

As for you not reading the post.....I didn’t say that. All are welcome to read it. Like I said, I’ve read yours. Because they are a caucus I do not comment.

[MamaB]

We do not have statues of our mom to bow before nor do we pray to her. When we pray, it is to Jesus.

[Salvation]

Likewise for Catholics.

Good night.

[Romulus]

But your mother IS a participant in your redemption. How could she not be?

[Chicory]

The writer of the article you posted apparently does not know about Catholic spirituality or Catholic meditation. His whole first paragraph attributes to Catholcism something which has no place there at all, which is why both Merton and Pennington have been criticized by orthodox Catholics for going too fast into Far Eastern meditation styles.

Had the author read the other writers he mentions on their ideas of prayer, he would have found they would disapprove of his definition of Catholic spirituality just as much as he does.

[WVKayaker]

We do not have statues of our mom to bow before nor do we pray to her. When we pray, it is to Jesus. - Mama

Likewise for Catholics. -salvation is a FREE GIFT from God... not a screen name that usurps His Majesty!

Arrention FRoman cultists...

How can anyone in good conscience post Mary-worshipping examples day after day, and not see the "worship" aspects in them? Below is a clip from one of recent "caucus" postings. In it, credit is given to Mary for the redeeming Work of Jesus Christ. Mary in Scripture has none of the attributes that the Roman Catholic CULT has bestowed on their illusion. Jesus seems an afterthought!

Cult - noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3. the object of such devotion. 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.

PETITION TO MARY

Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day. I venerate thee, great queen, and I thank thee for the many graces thou hast bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins. I love thee, most dear Lady; and for the love I bear thee, I promise to serve thee willingly for ever and to do what I can to make thee loved by others also. I place in thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the strength to overcome them until death. From thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God, I pray thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in heaven, there to bless thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope. Amen.

Yep, it is a cult, with all the trappings...

[smvoice]

"Through thee I hope to die a holy death".

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No, that's not prayer to Mary. Nope. No way...never...

[smvoice]

"I pray thee to assist me always."

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It's just a good thing they don't pray to her. This is obviously a fraudulent petition/prayer.

[Steve_Seattle]

"When we pray, it is to Jesus."

Do you ever pray for others? Do you ever ask anyone to pray for you? The Catholic prayer known as the "Hail Mary" says (in part) "Mary . . . pray for us sinners." It is a request to Mary for her prayer on behalf of the petitioner. In that sense, it is no different from you asking someone to pray for you or your intentions.

[Steve_Seattle]

“Parson, thanks to your prayers and your guidance, I have found salvation through Jesus. You have brought many to God.” Is such a statement all that different from Catholic attitudes to Mary?

[Steve_Seattle]

Jesus prayed to the Father.

[WVKayaker]

Do you ever pray for others? Do you ever ask anyone to pray for you? The Catholic prayer known as the "Hail Mary" says (in part) "Mary . . . pray for us sinners." It is a request to Mary for her prayer on behalf of the petitioner. In that sense, it is no different from you asking someone to pray for you or your intentions.

Actually, Steve, it IS different.

Scripture tells us not to involve ourselves with "vain, repititious prayers" like your "Hail, Mary". Scripture tells us that we are to address OUR FATHER, not some secretary, in our prayer sessions. Thirdly, Mary is dead, no matter what some guys in Rome dictate. Scripture nowhere tells us to seek her or to do anything more than acknowledge Jesus's mom as blessed.

I am also blessed! I have His indwelling Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.

The Truth is not found in much of the rat poison* called Roman Catholicism...

*Rat poison usually consists of good wholesome food (corn, etc), into which chemicals are introduced that will produce death. Usually, it is 90% good stuff, with 10% poison. IMHO, the Roman Catholic cult has taken it to a higher level, and if administered per their requirements, will surely bring about a spiritual death.

After all, God is a Spirit, and those that worship Him, must do so in Spirit and in Truth!

We are told to approach the Throne boldly, not hide under some mythical queens dresses!

[dp0622]

wow. I wonder if arguments like this is what’s keeping Democrats winning the presidency. I vote conservative because I am conservative but it’s not easy to vote when a large section of a party are so vehemently against what you believe in. I doubt that God gave a darn if my mother worshipped Mary or not while she was taking care of AIDS patients in the end stage. One week of volunteering is worth a year of pontificating